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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 24, 2009 16:56:09 GMT -5
Oh yes, I know it is very far from the perfect setup thank you for the advice!
I will tinker with it a little bit... might just take it as is and give it a go... typically first hand experience is the best kind of teaching tool.
but I still have some time left
your right about the clestians being a better choice for the cannoness maybe I'll make a small retributor squad with the single heavy bolter
and try and work my other special weapons in elsewhere.
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Post by Melissia on Jun 24, 2009 17:00:01 GMT -5
You'd have ten models left, including three storm bolters and one heavy bolter.
Put three storm bolters in a Dominian or Celestian (with the veteran superior having the third in the celestian squad, and the standard dominians having the third in the Dominian squad) squad and use them to kite enemy squads. Put the heavy bolter in a retributor squad.
It's not ideal by any definition of the term-- but it DOES mean you have more Acts of Faith, which you can use to your advantage.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 24, 2009 17:17:40 GMT -5
something more like:
cannoness powerweapon stormbolter rosarius
5 celestians flamer heavy flamer rhino with dozer+pintle stormbolter
5 celestians 2 stormbolters vet with stormbolter
10 battle sisters with vet 2 meltaguns rhino with dozer+pintle stormbolter
10 battle sisters with vet flamer heavy flamer
5 retributors vet heavy bolter
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 24, 2009 17:19:20 GMT -5
That looks pretty solid.....Although Melissia's opinion overrules mine The only rules I have for Battle Sisters, were published in White Dwarf, and the Chapter Approved books....
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Post by Melissia on Jun 24, 2009 17:29:30 GMT -5
For entirelly technical reasons, you should list the flamer/heavy flamer Celestian squad under the Canoness, because they're retinue and they do not take up an elites slot (they are essentially part of the Canoness' unit, like the CCS is part of the Commander's unit). Also, I reccomend dropping the rosarius and taking a Blessed Weapon instead. You won't get an extra attack from the power weapon and you won't need the 4++ save (if you do end up needing it you'll be able to use Acts of Faith to get a 3++ save anyway!).
Assuming all your squads have veterans with BoSL (except for the Celestians accompanying your canoness, as your canoness should have a BoSL in that squad due ot her having LD10) Your list totals up to roughly.... 760 or so points.
Use third edition C:wH's rules. They're the most updated and the most known. For that matter, C:WH is really just Codex: Sisters of Battle by another name. It has some other units thrown in, but as I said before those units are inefficient at best.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 24, 2009 17:38:30 GMT -5
By any chance, is there an Anti-Sisters tactica? Just wondering....
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Post by Melissia on Jun 24, 2009 17:40:18 GMT -5
Probably. As for what Guard would do? Any AP3 blast weapon (which Guard have lots of) is death to the Sisters. Add in some anti-tank to take out their transports, and youc an force the Sisters to rely upon cover saves.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 24, 2009 17:48:44 GMT -5
why BoSL on anyone other then the Cannoness? from what I can tell all it does is allow you to use the Ld of the model with the book on any unit within 6 inches
oh wait... unmodified... so...no negative penalties for loosing assault, ect....
sweet.
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Post by Melissia on Jun 24, 2009 17:52:10 GMT -5
Exactly. It is effectively the stubborn rule, only better (it effects pinning checks). Also you'd WANT the canoness to have it because of her being LD10, but you'd NOT want it on the VSS attatched to the celestian retinue, because the Canoness can't unattatch from them until the VSS is dead anyway, and so you'd use the Canoness' LD10 instead regardless.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 24, 2009 17:54:59 GMT -5
Got it, makes sense...
thanks a million!
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Post by Melissia on Jun 24, 2009 17:57:12 GMT -5
Also as I said, switch the rosarius+power weapon out for a Blessed Weapon . It's roughly the same points (Actually five poitns cheaper), but much better. You have 5 ablative wounds from your Celestian squad to make up for it.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 24, 2009 18:07:30 GMT -5
got it, yeah I wanted that blessed weapon originally... but cut it out from the first list to save points(which was a bad idea) it is going back in now though.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 24, 2009 21:29:26 GMT -5
760 points....
Too large for 500 point games.....
Too much lost in 1000 point games.......
240 points worth of IG allies?
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Post by Melissia on Jun 24, 2009 23:22:19 GMT -5
750 point games are not uncommon.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 25, 2009 0:44:48 GMT -5
Although 240 points worth of platoons with HWSs would be a nice addition. But the point was to have a pure SoB list, I believe.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 25, 2009 1:58:39 GMT -5
well...
I didn't win.
I do not blame my battle sisters, I think they actually stood a pretty good chance, learned how to toss around the faith points a bit...
my opponent seized the initiative on me with a lucky 6 and took out the rhinos but I moved up and followed the terrain and then got caught up in a counter charge
spent from turn 3 to 7 locked in assault with multiple space marine units, I gave em hell the whole way as they whittled me down one or two at a time...
at the end he had a tac squad, a predator, and a dreadnought I had my Cannoness and 2 Celestians.
defiantly not giving up on the SoBs.
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Post by Melissia on Jun 25, 2009 2:14:11 GMT -5
It is no an easy army to play. But it is a FUN one to play, an army that can do amazing things.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 25, 2009 13:10:07 GMT -5
It's also fun to sing "Burn, Baby, Burn" in a high pitched voice after you get close.
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Post by Melissia on Jun 25, 2009 13:15:41 GMT -5
Especially when you manage to wipe out seven or eight Marines in one turn of shooting. Mmm... Divine Guidance...
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 25, 2009 13:29:54 GMT -5
so...best moment of my battle last night...
butchering CC scouts in CC with my Cannoness. (finally, revengence for my poor Eldar!) those damn scouts have been assualting me on turn one for nearly two weeks!
used the test to up int probably the most...
but the inv save kept me from loosing too many to his plasma cannons...
and...Book of St Lucius is my new favorite upgrade for SoBs.
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Post by Melissia on Jun 25, 2009 14:02:45 GMT -5
The BoSL should be completely mandatory. It is essentialy the Sisters' special leadership rules-- similar to ATSKNF, Mob Rule, Fearless, Syanpse, etc.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jun 26, 2009 11:31:27 GMT -5
I once killed Calgar with Guardsmen in CC. Admittedly, he only had 2 wounds left, but still...
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Post by Melissia on Jun 26, 2009 11:33:30 GMT -5
And I had a single Battle Sister squad tarpit Abbadon and some chaos termies before. Fun times, that, they were worth at least three times the points of my squad.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 26, 2009 13:44:31 GMT -5
Who won in the end?
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Post by Melissia on Jun 26, 2009 13:55:14 GMT -5
I had my veteran left alive at the end of the battle, and Abadon and a single Terminator left alive facing her. I won, naturally, as I was tying up such a huge amount of his army list that he had practically nothing OTHER than Abby left
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