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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jul 13, 2009 15:40:20 GMT -5
1. And how many of said armies have no marines in them?
2. Melissia makes a valid point - GW spends more time servicing space marines than the average thirteen year old spends servicing *Censored by brain*, and with much the same results.
3. GW calls the Blood Angels codex a codex, ergo - it is a codex. You cannot simply say 'Well, the chimera is a APC, so it dosen't count to the number of tanks in the Guard codex' when it quite clearly does.
4. They should have just released on, large space marine codex, with enough options for all the chapters, and told the people who wanted their supreme-uberness to grow a pair and play a real army.
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Post by Gree on Jul 13, 2009 15:43:16 GMT -5
And yet, it's still a codex that focuses on a Space Marine army. Stop with the attempts to wiggle out of the plain and simple fact that there are a disproportionate number of them in comparison to everyone else. I thought it focused on the Inquisiton? I have to agree with Melissia. They're Marine codices in spirit. Heck you can make an Ultramarines army containing only Scouts and Tanks if you want to, with only the force commander being a true marine. Actually scouts are marines last time I checked., and the sergants are full marines by fluff. 1. And how many of said armies have no marines in them? More than half. 2. Melissia makes a valid point - GW spends more time servicing space marines than the average thirteen year old spends servicing *Censored by brain*, and with much the same results. Consdiering they make the mos tmoney it's not much of a suprise really. Games Workshop is a company out to make money, not make Guard players feel good. 3. GW calls the Blood Angels codex a codex, ergo - it is a codex. You cannot simply say 'Well, the chimera is a APC, so it dosen't count to the number of tanks in the Guard codex' when it quite clearly does. Not it was not, it was some phamphlet they called a codex, they where susposed ot do away with that in 4th edition. No Blood Angel player I met considers that a real codex. Go to a marine forums and say that on there. Go ahead, I want ot see it happen. 4. They should have just released on, large space marine codex, with enough options for all the chapters, Actually that's what I feel, but that's not going to happen. and told the people who wanted their supreme-uberness to grow a pair and play a real army. That's funny, I win most of my games and I played the hobby for several Years, and I have marines. Does that make me a ''fake gamer?''
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Post by John_Galt (M.I.A) on Jul 13, 2009 15:47:51 GMT -5
I'm with Gree on this, I wouldn't consider DH a true SM codex, although we can all agree marines recieve the most exposure.
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Post by Gree on Jul 13, 2009 15:49:48 GMT -5
I'm with Gree on this, I wouldn't consider DH a true SM codex, although we can all agree marines recieve the most exposure. I can agree with that, but the point is it's not going to change, you can complain all you want But GW will not give up on the army that outsells the entire fantasy range. Gut regardless the thread is about the Wolves remoours, not GW's fixation with marines.
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Jul 13, 2009 15:58:42 GMT -5
Actually scouts are marines last time I checked., and the sergants are full marines by fluff. When I think about Marines as a whole I'm mainly annoyed by the Battle Brothers themselves. They're the overexposed ones, not the Adeptus Astartes in its whole. Scouts may be part of the "problem", but I personally don't have any bad feelings towards them. That's just me though. If you consider Scouts Marines you shouldn't consider Grey Knights Marines, as they're not truly members of the Adeptus Astartes anymore as far as I know, having moved on to the Chamber Militant of the Ordo. And CSM's definitely wouldn't be considered Marines.
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Post by Melissia on Jul 13, 2009 15:59:30 GMT -5
Grey Knights are by far the most "Marine"ish of all Marine armies. Both their list and their fluff exemplify what it means to truelly be a Marine in the most idealized form. There are non-Marine units in the codex, but that's what I would call "completely and utterly irrelevant to the point", thanks but no, not buyin' your excuse. I thought it focused on the Inquisiton? Both C:WH and C:DH focus on the actual armies involved rather than the Inquisition-- meaning, the fluff focuses more on the Sisters and Grey Knights, and even in the army list the most effective and efficient units are in those two armies. This is because these two armies actually are, well, ARMIES, unlike the Inquisition, which is best described as a disorganized group of powerful individuals whom are most of the time able to force other peoples' armies to fight for them.
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Post by Gree on Jul 13, 2009 16:02:44 GMT -5
If you consider Scouts Marines you shouldn't consider Grey Knights Marines, as they're not truly members of the Adeptus Astartes anymore as far as I know, having moved on to the Chamber Militant of the Ordo. Actually they are Chapter 666 of the astartes. Having moved on to the Chamber Militant of the Ordo. And CSM's definitely wouldn't be considered Marines. Exactly my point, thank you. Grey Knights are by far the most "Marine"ish of all Marine armies. Both their list and their fluff exemplify what it means to truelly be a Marine in the most idealized form. There are non-Marine units in the codex, but that's what I would call "completely and utterly irrelevant to the point", thanks but no, not buyin' your excuse. Good for you, Unfourtunately no matter how you rail aginst new mairne codices it changes nothing. Let's get back to talking about the Space Wolves shall we?
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Jul 13, 2009 16:08:11 GMT -5
*think things over* No wait, I wasn't supposed to write that.
Bah.
Space Wolves. Let's talk about Space Wolves.
The new mounts sound weird, but interesting. New "wolf claws" sound weird but odd. New armada of special characters sound weird and 5th edition. New Wulfen models would make me eat children of happiness.
And also it'd make me start a small army of them.
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Post by Melissia on Jul 13, 2009 16:11:16 GMT -5
Good for you, Unfourtunately no matter how you rail aginst new mairne codices it changes nothing. Let's get back to talking about the Space Wolves shall we? And no matter how hard you claim to be right, you're still wrong as usual.
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Post by Gree on Jul 13, 2009 16:12:23 GMT -5
Good for you, Unfourtunately no matter how you rail aginst new mairne codices it changes nothing. Let's get back to talking about the Space Wolves shall we? And no matter how hard you claim to be right, you're still wrong as usual. Again good for you. I can see what you are trying to do and I am not falling for your flame-baiting and trolling. Now I am going back to have a reasoned, on topic discussion. *think things over* No wait, I wasn't supposed to write that. Bah. Space Wolves. Let's talk about Space Wolves. The new mounts sound weird, but interesting. New "wolf claws" sound weird but odd. New armada of special characters sound weird and 5th edition. New Wulfen models would make me eat children of happiness. And also it'd make me start a small army of them. I am really wondering how they are going to do the mounts, maybe make them cyber-wolves?
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Jul 13, 2009 16:18:00 GMT -5
Cyber wolves would be nifty, hopefully they'll keep it more 40K rather than try to make them look like mythological Fenris Ulves.
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Post by Gree on Jul 13, 2009 16:19:06 GMT -5
Cyber wolves would be nifty, hopefully they'll keep it more 40K rather than try to make them look like mythological Fenris Ulves. They did some good work with cybernetic dogs in the Necromunda range.
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on Jul 13, 2009 16:22:28 GMT -5
The Cyber Mastiff? Yeah, it looked really nice. I wouldn't want to see the wolves are purely cybernetic constructs though, I think enhanced living wolves with lots of implants would make good models.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jul 13, 2009 16:29:03 GMT -5
Space Marines make the most money simply because GW gives them everything nice. Much as I loathe to say this, I'm with Melissia here.
Look, economics dosen't work like that Gree. If someone wants to get into 40K, then simply because the Marines aren't uber, that dosen't mean they won't get into it - they will simply redirect their spending onto different armies. There are few new players I've met who've got 'oh, I can't win' and given up, so I don't see why GW feels the need to constantly stack the decks in the marines' favour, simply.
And how the hell they expect people to spend money on other ranges (DE and SoB spring to mind) when they barely exist in-store, I don't know. You've gotta speculate to accumulate, GW.
Gree - do you use Lash Of Submission? If so, you're a fake gamer.
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Post by Gree on Jul 13, 2009 16:33:37 GMT -5
Space Marines make the most money simply because GW gives them everything nice. Much as I loathe to say this, I'm with Melissia here. No, they make the most money because back in 1st edition when they where released they where the most popular. Look, economics dosen't work like that Gree. Appearantly it does, Marines are the top-selling army in GW. Look, economics dosen't work like that Gree. If someone wants to get into 40K, then simply because the Marines aren't uber, that dosen't mean they won't get into it - they will simply redirect their spending onto different armies. There are few new players I've met who've got 'oh, I can't win' and given up, so I don't see why GW feels the need to constantly stack the decks in the marines' favour, simply. I don't understand what you are syaing, you are complaing how the marines get favoured but then you say it's okay because people redirect thier other income? And how the hell they expect people to spend money on other ranges (DE and SoB spring to mind) when they barely exist in-store, I don't know. You've gotta speculate to accumulate, GW. Because other armies are appearantly more popular. Gree - do you use Lash Of Submission? If so, you're a fake gamer. No, I despise the tactic. If oyu want ot talk ot me about that then PM. Now let's get back to Space wolves.
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Post by commissargaunt on Jul 13, 2009 17:50:09 GMT -5
And the cool death company models.
The main reason why the BA dex exists is because they have a disproportionate number of special characters compared to the vanilla SM dex. The main difference is that BA can have assault marines as troops and don't get vanguard or sternguard veterans, their rhinos also have overcharged engines or somesuch. Basically they are more assault oriented than vanilla marines which are more "jacks of all trades".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 18:05:51 GMT -5
and they have one of the two oldest rules sets. There are more than two codices still around from third edition. Codex: Daemonhunters (AKA Codex: Grey Knights) Codex: Dark Eldar Codex: Necrons Codex: Space Wolves Codex: Witch Hunters (AKA Codex: Sisters of Battle) But DE and SW are the oldest. I forget which one is the oldest. If Gw produced codexs based purely on need then the Necrons would be the first to get a book. Be glad you still have a playable codex.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 18:12:36 GMT -5
1. And how many of said armies have no marines in them? 2. Melissia makes a valid point - GW spends more time servicing space marines than the average thirteen year old spends servicing *Censored by brain*, and with much the same results. 3. GW calls the Blood Angels codex a codex, ergo - it is a codex. You cannot simply say 'Well, the chimera is a APC, so it dosen't count to the number of tanks in the Guard codex' when it quite clearly does. 4. They should have just released on, large space marine codex, with enough options for all the chapters, and told the people who wanted their supreme-uberness to grow a pair and play a real army. GWs point of view(atleast when I did business with them) 1. Marines sell 2. Marines sell 3. Agreed 4. Marines sell. If you were trying to maximize profit, would you a) put out 1 $35.00 rule book or b) 1 $30.00 rule book and one for each "special" chapter? It's all economics folks, it ain't personal, and they aren't out to kill your favorite army(Unless you play Squats!)
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Post by Gree on Jul 13, 2009 18:25:45 GMT -5
I'd like to keep this about Space Wolves if anyone minds.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 19:20:28 GMT -5
I'd like to keep this about Space Wolves if anyone minds. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, it's a little late for that......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 20:23:12 GMT -5
Oh, boy. Another Space Marine codex. I am joyful beyond all rational thought. Woo-hoo.
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Post by Gree on Jul 13, 2009 21:12:59 GMT -5
Oh, boy. Another Space Marine codex. I am joyful beyond all rational thought. Woo-hoo. Ladies and Geltemen we have a broken record here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 0:57:12 GMT -5
Oh boy. You're trying to call attention to me in the hopes that people will forget that you won't admit that there are seven, count them, seven Space Marine codices, thus proving that the little SMurfs get too much love from GW. I am cynical beyond all rational thought. Woo-hoo.
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Post by Gree on Jul 14, 2009 5:16:17 GMT -5
Oh boy. You're trying to call attention to me in the hopes that people will forget that you won't admit that there are seven, count them, seven Space Marine codices, thus proving that the little SMurfs get too much love from GW. I am cynical beyond all rational thought. Woo-hoo. Well considering you did that before I started talking about the seven (six, I don't consider daemonhunters a mrine codex any more I do necrons of Witchhunters) codices. The only thing uou have done is spammed the same comment over and over agin. That is not very helpful at all.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 14, 2009 7:07:33 GMT -5
DA used to be unique. Then GW was like: GW: Hello there little boy! How would you like some Ultramarines? They are the Emperor's greatest warriors. Boy: No way mister, I want Dark Angels. Their rules are way better. GW: What? Let me see that...*Reads 2nd Ed DA Codex*....UNACCEPTABLE!....*Backhands little boy accross the face and stomps of in a rage to the writing department.* Boy: Ouch! Hey, my codex! Mommy! WAAAAA! So they took everything that was good from the DA dex and put it into the vanila dex, and buffed the Ravenwing cheese to keep the DA players quiet. GW, making little boys cry since 1998 Same thing with the BA. Anything that was uniquely awesome got "laterally promoted" into the blue-boyz' ranks. I really could make a BA list w/ the new 'dex, just w/o the DC. The Furioso is still way cooler than the ironclad. Anyway, on topic so Gree won't put a hex on me... Back when I was deciding from what chapter my marines would hail, it was SW/BA tie and DA after that. The main reason that BA won was that the BA codex was free... I love my BA characters, but every marine chapter has them.
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