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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 12, 2011 13:11:52 GMT -5
. Know they have the “Ordinary SpaceMarine-Chapter with extras”-touch. Welcome to the new way GW does things. They're stripping out a lot of individuality and making most of the Marines standardized, with a few fancy toys and rules to distinguish them. I've always thought GK need at least a Rhino, but things like Razorbacks, etc? That's a bit much. On the plus side, there's only 3 Marine armies left after GK (DA, BT, CSM), so they won't have an excuse for delaying updating Eldar or Sisters. Unless, you know, they put out a new rulebook and have to redo Codex: Ultramarines again. Also, Robin Cruddace is the lesser of two evils, considering Matt Ward is the other option. I think I've made my views on Ward abundantly clear in other threads, so I won't bother repeating them here. Reds
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Post by magg on Jan 12, 2011 13:15:15 GMT -5
Cruddace!! Again?!? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Maybe he has learned from his mistakes ... well pray what god you have that its not really matt ward...... Yeah ... you are right ... it could be worse ;D -Magg Edit: I pray for Phil Kelly or Andy Chambers (Why? WHY?!?) Another thing to mention is that the fluff gets worse and worse. For example I like how they have created the character of the Dark Eldar, but when the story starts about Vect it gets just ridicules. Same with the Tyranids and the Space Marines (the translation is even worse! I had to read the English version of the codex, so that I could understand what was meant on one of the sections of the background for Cantor).
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Post by Dedrier on Jan 12, 2011 13:19:57 GMT -5
Codex: Space Marines should not be redone. Period. Space Marine players should learn how to suck it up like everybody else.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 12, 2011 13:22:40 GMT -5
Agreed, and the Codex is decent. The thing is, it's GW flagship army, so it always gets redone first. Even when other armies need it much, much more.
Reds
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Post by commisar19 on Jan 12, 2011 13:24:28 GMT -5
amen to that. i love grey knights but their individuality is the best bit...*sobs quietly*
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Post by F.K.M on Jan 12, 2011 15:00:42 GMT -5
Dedrier: Absolutely. I don't want to hear any female doging when it comes to blood angels being better than them. They can have thunderfire cannons, special characters like telion and possibly other things. I don't want to hear any female doging from marine players about blood angels being more powerful esp. when sanguinary guard are a 5 man unit with only artificer armor. It's easily killed with the right weapons. @reds: The eldar and sisters are still pretty potent. Necrons need an update so much more and so do the tau a bit. In my opinion eldar can wait a year or two while necrons, tau, sisters, and possibly even the other marine chapters get their new codexes. The average wait for a new codex is about 5-6 years and the eldar codex was made in 2006 i think so don't worry it should be coming within a year or so. It should be there at least by the end of 2012. Dun dun dun *stupid apocalypse music plays* . The grey knights are sounding good but the problem is they are sounding too good. I mean think of how powerful the upgraded termies with 'feel no pain' and 2 wounds are going to be esp. if they get eternal warrior. You add the re-rolls to armor and ward saves to this and suddenly they're unstoppable. Give them some damned storm shields and you have a +3 re-rollable inv. save that you can't get beyond. God damn it! The librarian is sounding fun though as they always do. I'm looking forward to the matrix type vehicle for some reason and the monstrous creature sounds interesting. Anything to make this not a normal marine army. It's strange if they have librarians though as they're all psykers so they should just combine a force commander and librarian for your leader. Special character allowing psycannon spam sounds pretty overpowered. Assassins needed the boost however. I'm actually happy about the new psycannon stats as it can be ok for killing marines and great at killing MC's or daemon princes or it can be good at killing lots of infantry in the other mode. Not sure if they're too strong though but whatever. You probably won't have many so the fact they're so good should make sense. I'm more curious if there's any special re-rolls for the grey knight dreadnought similar to the venerable allowing re-rolls on the vehicle damage chart. If grey knights didn't have a special dreadnought like everything else i'd be surprised. I haven't seen it yet and every new codex seems really strong usually (even though dark eldar can still get owned pretty hard) but some of this smells of cheese.
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 12, 2011 15:38:16 GMT -5
@some of this smells of cheese. That's just my socks.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 12, 2011 16:15:31 GMT -5
@fkm: I meant more in terms of models. The Eldar need plastic elites, and the sisters need plastic everything. Rules wise, though, you're right. Necrons need a serious revision.
Reds
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Jan 12, 2011 16:49:21 GMT -5
Sounds... quite contradictory to me. Seems a lot of the items in the list were at odds with other items in the list. Maybe it's just me... As for the details about Inquisitors - this is the point that interests me the most. The whole idea of an Inquisitor being able to be "attached" to any Imperial army is (in my opinion) intrinsic to their "ultimate authority". I'll be really sad if you can't take an Inquisitor in other Imperial armies anymore (actually I just carry on using the witch hunter codex, so it's not really a problem ). Is anyone else troubled/concerned/interested in this facet of the rumours? As for codex revamps and model updates, GW have the policy that they release one 40k codex, then a Marine codex, then a 40k codex, then a marine codex, etc, etc. Very rarely do they alter this (ignoring WHFB armies books). Model wise, it would be really nice to get plastic sisters, but I wonder if GW think the demand isn't big enough to warrant plastics?
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 12, 2011 17:26:32 GMT -5
Is anyone else troubled/concerned/interested in this facet of the rumours? Yes. I want stormies in the GK book, just because I have some I can use. They were originally intended for a GK army, anyway.
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Post by F.K.M on Jan 12, 2011 17:30:29 GMT -5
Lupus: They're supposedly going to do an inquisition book as well so don't worry. Omg they actually do release a marine codex and then another codex! This fact makes me very sad. They should be ashamed. @reds: They'll get plastic sisters in time. Something tells me with the release of grey knights or at least sisters or inquisition plastic stormtroopers are inevitable. Well ok maybe not the first two if stormtroopers are out of those 2 codexes but once the inquisition codex hits they are so in. Plastic elites don't really worry me so long as there are plastic dire avengers. Eldar are a hard army to talk about. A lot of special weapons, elites and heroes only come in metal so with eldar having entire squads of elites that are metal it's not surprising. I mean we need plastic stormtroopers too and we didn't get them. Honestly i think 40 dollars for 10 men with a grenade launcher, sergeant and a flamer are a steal in price compared to everything else GW sells. Ratlings are still the cheapest though and even they're metal. Ogryns need a plastic kit really badly. The way i see it if you think eldar need a revamp they can just get new models rather than a new codex. After all chaos daemons got revamped models without a new codex.
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Post by magg on Jan 13, 2011 7:43:33 GMT -5
The Blood Angels dreadnought kit won't contain the parts of the Grey Knight dread. You can see the sprue of the new box here. It also make sense if the Grey Knights gets their own kit, since I hope that their dreadnought will get the option for a psi cannon . I would not take the rumours too serious, because if you only think about the rumours that flew around before the new Blood Angels codex was released, then I think that this rumours are also to take with a pinch of salt. There are a lot of jokers out there, who spread misinformation for fun (maybe even GW is involved. It is a conspiracy … ) Cheers! -Magg
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Post by Dedrier on Jan 13, 2011 9:43:37 GMT -5
Look at that massive glaive on the left side of the sprue!
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Post by Walrus on Jan 13, 2011 10:47:22 GMT -5
that glaive is rather sexy... I think you could turn this kit into a GK dreadnought with a touch of green stuff (using the upside down torso piece)
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Post by Dedrier on Jan 13, 2011 10:53:17 GMT -5
I was just thinking that.
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Post by Walrus on Jan 13, 2011 11:04:53 GMT -5
Also, if the GK become Uber-termies the only thing that will effectively be able to stop them will most likely be Necron Pariahs... Although that will probably change with the codex update...
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Post by Julian Sharps on Jan 13, 2011 13:40:53 GMT -5
That, or masses of Incubi...
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Post by F.K.M on Jan 13, 2011 21:16:11 GMT -5
Also, if the GK become Uber-termies the only thing that will effectively be able to stop them will most likely be Necron Pariahs... Although that will probably change with the codex update... Yeah i think we all noticed that however necron gods would still do ok as would certain assassins like the callidus. Problem is look which army is using them (it's the same one!). So basically the best way to take down supped up storm shield termies or storm shield termies in general is pariahs, necron god, callidus assassin or grey knights if they have anything new and interesting. @sharps: It would get rid of their 'feel no pain' and armor but they'd still get a +3 re-rollable inv. save (if they have the storm shields) and have 2 wounds each. They'd be walking into a massacre of themselves. I mean think about it you can kill over a 10 man marine squad by charging with 10 incubi. If you get a +3 inv. save against that you suddenly can only do 3 wounds however if it's re-rollable you can only do 1 wound. If a squad of 10 incubi managed to even hurt these things i'd be surprised. Of course they should cost a nutsload of points (over 100 pts at the very least). My idea is to mass as many hits as you can esp. with small blast, flamers, and as many shots as you can throw at them. Dire avengers with farseer powers eat your heart out. This is considering if they have eternal warrior too. Which we should pray to god they don't. If they don't then use fire dragon mass or whatever mass shots you can. Executioners mass wouldn't be too bad. I really should get an executioner in the future. They are awesome tanks.
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Post by Hetfiltrator on Jan 14, 2011 11:20:11 GMT -5
*Looks at Dreadnought kit* Helloooo nurse!
That Death company dreadnought would make a beast venerable...
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 14, 2011 14:39:11 GMT -5
That dreadnought might look cool, but he can't do a handstand, can he?
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jan 14, 2011 18:10:03 GMT -5
I smell a conversion challenge.
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Post by Walrus on Jan 15, 2011 0:02:30 GMT -5
That dreadnought might look cool, but he can't do a handstand, can he? that would be the coolest conversion ever, a Dreadnought doing a handstand going into a ninja kick from the handstand position
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 15, 2011 15:14:19 GMT -5
The infantry are easy enough: The only problem with a dread is its weight. A solution might be adding a heavy rock to the base.
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Jan 15, 2011 15:25:01 GMT -5
Just in case anyone was in doubt (or for those who haven't subscribed to the E-newsletter from GW:
Incoming! Grey Knights
'We are the warriors of the Grey Knights, armoured in Faith, shielded by Devotion and armed with Purity of Purpose. But greater even than these, we carry the light of the divine Emperor of Man into the dark places to purge the daemonic wherever it may be found.' - Brother-Captain Stern of the Grey Knights, Prior to the Purging of Xoedic Binary 978.M41
In April the Grey Knights, an elite and secretive Chapter of Space Marines, will stand ready to fight the forces of Chaos and the horrors of the Warp with new reinforcements. Take a look at the Astronomican today to see the Studio's Incoming! article for more information about the legendary heroes that are the Grey Knights.
Reinforcements? I take it by this they're including the codex as a reinforcement...
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Post by commisar19 on Feb 1, 2011 12:24:44 GMT -5
adding some rumors, new GK grand master force weapons will still be remove from table, not ID. also, grand master force weapon will be ignoring invulnerables. all NFWs will no longer be S6, but will be rending, and the GK dreadnought can have a 15 shot S5 psy-gatling. they will get storm ravens, and other than that,new characters and termies will cost the same amount of points if not more. reliable source people.
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