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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 5, 2011 18:12:41 GMT -5
Yup. You saw the comment thread on 4chan from the GW store manager that Reds posted a few days ago, right?
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Post by Fire For Effect on Apr 5, 2011 18:13:51 GMT -5
No... I try to avoid all things 4Chan... my roommate found a picture of herself on there so now I'm scared to look.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 5, 2011 18:20:31 GMT -5
Ah.
Well, it was enlightening as to the level of dysfunction at HQ when it comes to the lack of interaction between the various staff groups responsible for fluff and rules and the sculptors, and goes some way towards explaining why there are units in the rules & fluff that don't have minis--such as Thunderwolf cavalry...
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Post by Fire For Effect on Apr 5, 2011 18:22:12 GMT -5
Or the Hydra... or... a lot really...
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 5, 2011 18:27:27 GMT -5
Indeed.
Of course, I've been playing since the days when most units didn't actually have models to represent them, so it doesn't make much of a difference to me. But yeah, in the age where supposedly "all units described in the codex will have models" it's pretty sad...
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Post by Fire For Effect on Apr 5, 2011 18:29:41 GMT -5
They have to come up with a way to add enough plastic to charge you $40 for it...
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 5, 2011 18:32:02 GMT -5
Ah, but since the price of oil is going up, and plastic is made from oil... PRICE INCREA$E$!!!
But yeah, it's getting to the point where I'm glad that, aside from terrain, I pretty much have all the stuff that I need for my armies.
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Post by Fire For Effect on Apr 5, 2011 18:36:29 GMT -5
Yes, it does make getting started rather rough, and we have that sort of thing where "That napkin is really a building"
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 6, 2011 15:49:22 GMT -5
Over the past two days I have done touch up work on one Ogryn trooper, and completely finished painting another Ogryn trooper, and two Bone'eads. Slow but sure progress is being made towards my goal of being able to field thirty of the bastards. Pics to follow once their bases are done. I may also take some photos of my herd of Sentinels.  |
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Post by Walrus on Apr 6, 2011 18:25:16 GMT -5
*Mr burns voice* Excellent.....
*Commences finger pyramid of evil contemplation*
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fianoglach
Guardsman
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Post by fianoglach on Apr 7, 2011 10:32:34 GMT -5
Dual wielding minis FTW!
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 7, 2011 17:44:09 GMT -5
Thanks, Walrus and fianoglach! Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to take advantage of the nice weather today to take some photos. I became suddenly ill last night, and was up all night feeling poogly, and then slept most of the day as a result.  Sleep cycle re-setting to commence in 5... 4... 3... |
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 11, 2011 13:22:35 GMT -5
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Post by Shostak(AWOL) on Apr 11, 2011 15:58:21 GMT -5
Lovely work Trooper, it's nice to see old orgryn models, and done to a superb standard.
the snipers are cool too.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 11, 2011 16:34:55 GMT -5
Thank you, shostak! I love the old Ogryn models, and have enough of them to make three squads of ten--fifteen of which have been painted now. The snipers were great fun to convert. Vindicare assassin rifles, and green stuff ghillie cloaks...  |
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Post by cheminhaler on Apr 12, 2011 13:59:14 GMT -5
Excellent work. The valk is just outstanding!
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 12, 2011 18:03:09 GMT -5
Thanks, cheminhaler! I'm glad that I was able to come up with a paint scheme that both looks decent and is easy to paint. All of my aircraft will be getting the same scheme. I was considering do a Tausept Ochre and Black camo markings over the Catachan green, but decided that I really liked the green as is. |
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Post by Aeon on Apr 12, 2011 21:49:52 GMT -5
I suppose that's more the trouble I have, it's in the fluff... why is it not in the minis? It makes me mad not to be able to take the idea I got from the codex and translate it into the game table. My personal guess towards rationalizing it? Look at today's modern military in the US and England - women can serve, but not in infantry, tanks, artillery or as combat engineers. I'd guess that female cadians are probably logistics, supply, admin, military intelligence... |
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Post by Fire For Effect on Apr 13, 2011 7:34:16 GMT -5
I really like the ghillie suits, I rarely see snipers I like, but those just look really good to me for some reason, probably because they actually look like they have some depth to the suits.
As to females, again, I point to the alternate reality Warp, the Golden Throne, and about a million other things that are already stretching belief, women in combat units (when it's already in the fluff, and some even have models like the Catachan Grenade Launcher girl, the old Gaunt's Ghost girl, and the female Commissar) is nothing. I'm not necessarily saying I need an all female army, just give me the option for some diversity in the ranks.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 13, 2011 9:37:32 GMT -5
Thanks FFE! The ghillie suits are just green stuff which I textured with a sculpting tool, Xacto blade, and possibly and old dental pick. I also agree with you about the lack of female trooper minis. There are female regiments in the fluff--particularly one of the regiments that was amalgamated in the Ciaphas Cain novels to make the 597th; it was an all female regiment. Also, in older editions of the Guard codex, there was at least one female regiment pictured--granted they looked like Necromunda Escher gangers, but still... I don't think that female regiments are relegated to logisitics, etc. since that's the job of the Munitorum to deal with logistics and supply... Guard troopers are supposed to be fighting, not dealing with supply stuff. Or at least that's the impression that I get from the fluff. It's just another case of GW screwing themselves by not making models which would probably sell like crazy...  |
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Post by ogguardsman on Apr 13, 2011 11:15:03 GMT -5
I agree that female models should be available for the IG range because it is very consistent in the fluff that many worlds allow it in the regiments they raise. Unfortunately it seems to be just another instance of GW neglecting to bring something from the books to the table top.
In the fluff guard troops are still responsible for logistics, there are quartermasters, motor pools, cooks, etc. throughout the the various IG novels. Granted the Munitorum have a greater degree of responsibility for logistics with the IG primarily just requisitioning supplies and equipment and doing maintenance on them. That's another example of the disconnect between the fluff that Black Library publishes and the minatures that GW produces. The books have the ability to show the big picture and include the mechanics, cooks, attendents, Commissariat enforcers, camp followers etc. but the miniature line only shows the tip of the spear that does the fighting, which makes sense considering that the game is just concerned with the battles.
It happens with Space Marines too, in all the books, either current or Horus Heresy and in the codices the chapter serfs are always mentioned fulfilling all the supportive roles and acting as a kind of Chapter PDF yet GW has never made any models for them. The only non SM models you see are combat servitors or cenobyte servitors if somebody is fielding Grimaldus.
I too think that GW would make money if they produced models reflecting depth of the 40K universe. If they made a plastic box set for Imperial 40K armies with a variety of components to model things like mechanics or cooks called up to the fighting line or just background models for dioramas or mechanicum servitors or munitorum clerks just for kit bashing I know I'd be interested in it.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 13, 2011 12:12:43 GMT -5
Ah, welcome to the IGMB ogguardsman! *Takes a tissue sample of the new conscript so that clones may be produced as required* You will thank me later, or perhaps not. Now here's your flashlight and piece of cardboard-go take down that Hive Tyrant and its bodyguard! I agree that some Guard troopers probably do deal with logistics stuff at a regimental level--basically when the hand off of supplies from the Munitorum occurs in order to do distribution at the company level. But I don't see whole regiments being tasked with such duties... I would, however, definitely be interested in seeing a set of models to represent quartermasters and cooks, etc. |
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Post by Shostak(AWOL) on Apr 13, 2011 12:47:31 GMT -5
Ratlings often serve as cooks.
I think cooking, ammo distribution etc is done by the regiment once supplies have been issued from the Munitorum, and guardsmen are often assigned Munitorum tasks as well.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 13, 2011 19:49:30 GMT -5
Heh. My army doesn't have any Ratlings in it... |
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Post by BG. Foster on Apr 14, 2011 4:34:56 GMT -5
I'd love to see some of the regimental followers too. In several of the Gaunts Ghosts books it mentions them, and that some of the regiment go to see them. Most notably Gol Kolea goes to see a prostitue who he asked to watch over his children, I think Cuu also got his knife sharpened there.
As for the female miniatures many people would buy them, me being one of them. There are people out there who sculpted models but then dropped off the face of the earth and there are also people who have converted Cadians. I've had a go at the Cadian route and think it looks ok so far, just waiting on heads.
PS - I'm new here and I have just dug out my old Catachan guard. I'm in the process of stripping off a bad paint job and starting again. I have somewhere in the region of 200 mini's that are a mix of Catachan, Cadian and about 20 Tanith.
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