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Post by RedsandRoyals on May 16, 2011 17:08:06 GMT -5
So i'm thinking i'm going to try out some new gaming systems. I've been looking at Dystopian Wars, but I'm going to hold off until the new Sisters codex. That's going to be a deal breaker for me. Reds
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Post by Laughing Man on May 16, 2011 17:10:48 GMT -5
I've got a large guard army, a reasonable empire army, a smattering of space marine models, a skaven gang, a blood bowl team all i need is a few gothic ships and seeing as i need only about £50 worth of models to finish my fleet i'm not too worried, i'm thinking i might jump to warmahordes or flames of war.
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Post by vegna on May 16, 2011 17:16:08 GMT -5
yeah my point reds. It's bad business. Clearly they weren't paying attention with the banks. keep upping the money and sooner or later the bubble will pop, but the tax payer wont bail them out. It's a shame as it's a good hobby and really enjoyable. maybe we should petition them? lol
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Post by Trickstick on May 16, 2011 17:51:35 GMT -5
The name sounds silly to me. Why didn't they just call them Awesomecast or Coolcast and get it over with?
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Post by 3ff3ct on May 17, 2011 5:17:46 GMT -5
>cough< ripoffcasts
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Post by Empirespy on May 17, 2011 11:12:01 GMT -5
Isn't it obvious, just use a standard Supply demand graph, the point where the two lines cross you put the price then in about 6 or so months you put the price down in a sale, this causes impulse buying then put the prices back up to the point earlier (it may have changed slightly) and repeat. I know they wouldn't make the same amount of profit but it would provide a more stable income as well as keeping the customers happy.
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Post by Trickstick on May 17, 2011 11:14:12 GMT -5
Come on, it is obvious how they price things.
Every day they roll a d100. If they get a 100 then the prices go up. Every week the roll gets a +1 modifier.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on May 17, 2011 12:09:46 GMT -5
Hmmm... I just talked to my local GW store manager, and according to him the new molding process for the resin material allows for a capture of detail from the original sculpt at levels that can't be achieved with metal. I remain to be convinced, but next week they will have pictures of the new minis, and will have actual physical examples in store that weekend. I'll go check them out.
Another interesting thing that he told me was that apparently the new material is non-toxic. It was tested to make certain, because otherwise, GW wouldn't be able to sell to the younger crowd. Also, FW is going to be using the new material as well...
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Post by cheminhaler on May 17, 2011 15:41:11 GMT -5
Come on, it is obvious how they price things. Every day they roll a d100. If they get a 100 then the prices go up. Every week the roll gets a +1 modifier. And if they roll 66 they bring out a new version of LoTR.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on May 17, 2011 18:31:10 GMT -5
Apparently they rolled a 100 again, because I'm hearing rumors of another price increase sometime soon. This may be confusing the "Finecast" increase with an independent price increase, but we'll see.
I apologize for the block of text, and the fact that the source apparently never realized the caps lock key was on, but there you have it. Rumors point to late may being the hike date.
At this rate, it won't matter how good the Sisters book is, I won't be able to afford it anyway.
Reds
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on May 17, 2011 19:20:54 GMT -5
Hold on, now... GW is going to ask for $30 for a crashed plane? That's how much the non-crashed one should cost!
I'm ecstatic they're finally getting rid of the stupid metal, but come on...
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Post by Trickstick on May 17, 2011 19:26:42 GMT -5
I have seen someone turn the crashed aquilla into a complete one. It was a lot of work but it looked nice.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on May 17, 2011 22:02:54 GMT -5
I have seen someone turn the crashed aquilla into a complete one. It was a lot of work but it looked nice. I have too, but that's not the point. The product on offer is post impact, and they are charging pre-impact prices. My big thing is the Guardsmen. I don't care what you run them as, they are not worth $3 a pop. Reds
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Post by syphon on May 18, 2011 3:31:06 GMT -5
The question that weighs heavily on my mind now is whether to stock up now or just let the boxes rot in stores.
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Post by treadiculous on May 18, 2011 4:31:23 GMT -5
I heard GW are around 18 million pounds in debt, as they are the only hobby to run shops.
Scalextric slot car racing, Hornby Trains etc don't bother, so what you pay for is the stores, they are there to introduce new customers to the hobby which they hope become long serving loyal consumers...
It bugs me that this puts an emphasis on 'power' gaming as fewer more powerful models is far cheaper for newcomers... it also goes along with the codex creep marketing stratergy which effectivly hinders the game in the long term.
All was fine in 1st edition, where an army was a few models, now a 1k list is hard to produce for under 120 pounds with any army.. and thats with a focus on high points cost elite types.
With plastic sprue costing so little, surely they can bring the cost down and let us have large forces.. veteran players would still spend the same, for I'm sure I'm not the only one who has a permanent wish list!
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Post by Trickstick on May 18, 2011 5:38:25 GMT -5
I really don't mind paying the cost if the stores remain nice places to hang out and game. Really the prices are subsidising the game space. Cheaper models would be very nice but if I have to choose between that and having the game space I know which would win. Maybe I just have a nicer store than most though.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on May 18, 2011 9:42:56 GMT -5
You must. I've never been in a GW that was 'nice.' I've been in a few non-GW store with gaming space that were good, but nothing compares to the comfort of home. There's a bar there.
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Post by syphon on May 18, 2011 11:35:30 GMT -5
And a mrs. ElegaicRequiem? :3
At any rate, I just opened an old collector's guide from '87. Five Imperial Army models for 2 pounds 50. 2,50 FOR 5 MODELS!
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Post by RedsandRoyals on May 18, 2011 12:23:19 GMT -5
And a mrs. ElegaicRequiem? :3 Not unless he calls one of his hands that. Trickstick: If you're fine with the prices being higher, go ahead and pay them, but there are quite a few of us out here who don't play in GWs, yet we're getting charged to keep them open. I don't think the stores are really the problem. We're also paying for all the Games Days which, to be honest, are a money sink. I can't imagine it would cost more to simply have a presence at the multitude of cons in Europe and the US than to run your own freaking convention. If the stores aren't able to make back their running costs, maybe they should consider figuring out why and if they can reverse it, instead of increasing prices and opening a new Battle Bunker in Maryland. If your lifeboat is sinking, try plugging the leak instead of throwing all your food overboard to save weight, that's all I'm saying. Reds
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Post by Rolling Thunder on May 18, 2011 12:33:12 GMT -5
I have seen someone turn the crashed aquilla into a complete one. It was a lot of work but it looked nice. I have too, but that's not the point. The product on offer is post impact, and they are charging pre-impact prices. My big thing is the Guardsmen. I don't care what you run them as, they are not worth $3 a pop. Reds Don't worry too much on the cost of Guardsmen, for soon, Defiance Games will hopefully begin the production of their 28mm hard plastic sci-fi soldiers, which will be at massively lower prices to Games's Workshop's products, and most likely better quality. Sadly, at the moment the only offers are the rather poor Wargames Factory Plastic Greatcoats (with their monstrous ham-hands), but I hope DG have learnt from the mistakes of WF. Or else. I will be very disappointed. So head over to Defiance Games right now and express support for this budding new company! www.defiancegames.com/index.php
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Post by syphon on May 18, 2011 12:41:45 GMT -5
You know, I hadn't seen it that way yet, Reds. But I agree. Those of us who don't play in GW's (There's only a handful in my country, mainly centered around the large urban city in the west, somewhere I don't live), are indeed charged to help out something we have no part in. However, I have to add that I'm not sure whether this is a ridiculous price hike yet. I mean, games go about 40 quid a pop, right? I'm talking Xbox 360 games, since I have one. Mine are about 65 euro. That means 17 quid more than the UK folks pay. Where does that difference come from? But I digest. My point is that a lot of manpower does go into the whole damn process and I suppose that those people need food too. ...though I shudder at the thought of supporting that smug bastard Mat Ward. RT, are you stockholder there? Or caster? Because I don't think I'd shudder at supporting you that much. You don't appear to be a smug bastard.
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Post by Shostak(AWOL) on May 18, 2011 13:02:11 GMT -5
I'm not overly bothered about the prices. I have big collections and can update them slowly as I go along. But to be honest, GW's high prices are about keeping the stores open, and the primary reason for the sstores is to attract new players, but these new players are usually quite young, and high prices are going to dissuade them, and their parents from buying the models. It seems like somewhere down the line they haven't hought this through.
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Post by cheminhaler on May 18, 2011 14:17:55 GMT -5
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on May 18, 2011 14:37:44 GMT -5
You don't appear to be a smug bastard. He is, but that's exactly why we love him. And I have all kinds of Mrs.'s around my basement.
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Post by Laughing Man on May 18, 2011 15:20:12 GMT -5
Other businesses when faced with lowering profits: sales, deals to bring in more customers
GW: RAISE PRICES!
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