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Post by F.K.M on Jul 4, 2011 18:24:03 GMT -5
And I never said that blasters were S7. They're probably S3 or 4 depending on the make, and AP3. Disruptors are probably something around S10 AP2, but they're massively illegal, so... they probably don't enter the equation. And stormies were too the rank and file of the Imperial ground forces. They're depicted as being as numerous as TIEs. And they do get some specops training, but nothing compared to Imperial Intelligence field operatives. Disruptors are disgusting. Of course i think the version in 'shadows of the empire' was more than a little ridiculous. You'd think you could even assassinate jedis with such a weapon. Hmm i wonder how a disruptor would fare against a dark trooper or take. Are we talking melta strength? The reason i'm not in the mood to talk about the EU of star wars is that luke skywalker was turned into a freaking god. It's like dealing with space marines in the black library and how they rarely die. Whereas in the game and in the codexes and rulebooks they most certainly do die even if they do stupidly heroic conquests, rescues, securing precious objectives and boarding actions. I heard dark troopers weren't that great in 'empire at war: forces of corruption'. I didn't play the expansion because i didn't like it much. All i have to say though is the zann consortium used suicidal teddy bears (ewoks) with bombs strapped to them and guided them to the enemy. Just think about that for a second. However i have to say the original 'star wars: empire at war' was great and even the expansion was good if petroglyph could've figured out how to balance the zann consortium and make them less overpowered. Westwood never could make a good balance with a 3rd side. |
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 4, 2011 18:38:06 GMT -5
....They didn't assassinate Jedi because they couldn't find any more Jedi. They did just a fine job with Clones Troopers, Darth Vader, and Starkiller. Also, Purge Troopers are just a headache to fight.....Even when you're the most powerful consular, capable of, with extreme effort, sending a Star Destroyer into the ground, and tossing aside incoming TIE Fighters. (Maybe that was just game mechanics though)
And Luke isn't the entirety of the EU. There's lots of chunks you can talk about without mentioning the words "Luke" "Skywalker" or "Jedi". Plus, I'm pretty sure Starkiller and Revan could give Luke a run for his money...
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Post by F.K.M on Jul 4, 2011 19:22:16 GMT -5
Kaikelx: What about the main character from KotOR 2. He was supposedly what's her name's most powerful pupil. It's also crap like bringing down a star destroyer from orbit that bothers me about the EU. My point is did you ever once see any jedis do that in the movies. Even though i'm suspicious about a light saber absorbing a flamethrower. The biggest stunt pulled was by luke cutting open an AT-AT hatch and throwing a detonator in.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 4, 2011 19:28:54 GMT -5
There was never any real Jedi action in the movies, and thus, we didn't get to see anything cool. All we saw (if we count the prequels) is a bunch of overly-done special effects, mostly in overly-choreographed lightsaber battles. Because George loves him some "laser swords."
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 4, 2011 19:40:13 GMT -5
Kaikelx: What about the main character from KotOR 2. He was supposedly what's her name's most powerful pupil. It's also crap like bringing down a star destroyer from orbit that bothers me about the EU. My point is did you ever once see any jedis do that in the movies. Even though i'm suspicious about a light saber absorbing a flamethrower. The biggest stunt pulled was by luke cutting open an AT-AT hatch and throwing a detonator in. The Jedi Exile? According to cannon, the main character from KotOR 2 is a woman. She isn't really all that bad. Hell, most of her powers come from the fact that she's a walking hole in the universe. Kreia (I think that's the spelling) wanted to use her to basically end the force's existence. And point of contention, I just realized this, but the Star Destroyer that Starkiller brought down was already falling, Starkiller tried to push it away so it wouldn't fall on him. As for the lightsaber absorbing fire, I don't remember that, but even if it didn't, a force user could just push back the fire. (It'd probably be easier than pushing people around) |
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Post by F.K.M on Jul 4, 2011 19:59:04 GMT -5
There was never any real Jedi action in the movies, and thus, we didn't get to see anything cool. All we saw (if we count the prequels) is a bunch of overly-done special effects, mostly in overly-choreographed lightsaber battles. Because George loves him some "laser swords." We saw the emperor and yoda throw overly large disks at each other. Which is the equivalent of playing a large version of 'four square'. It actually sounds like some kind of stupid children's game though. To be fair some of those games were pretty fun when i was a kid. You can also get plenty of jedi action in some badly made pornos  . My point however with jedi force powers was beyond force push, force lightning, force choke and throwing debris at each other force powers were pretty tame as compared to what you see in the EU. Hell i'll even considering the jedi knight games acceptable force power use and the movies never once showed force speed. Maybe it'd be considered a cheap effect they didn't feel like doing but i don't think that'd stop lucas. Kaikelx: Well the exile is still really powerful. No matter how you cut it the exile is a jedi and a powerful one at that. Funny how kreia says the jedi of that time are nothing to the sith lords and jedi of the past which is already in the past of the normal trilogy which according to george lucas already happened 'a long time ago'. My god i know the secret to star wars now. The secret is they're going to try to keep going farther into the past rather than the future! I wouldn't mind seeing the original jedi and sith as long as george lucas doesn't have a say in it. However i'm bothered by constantly going into the past. Sure star wars has a big history but it's just ridiculous how far into the past it goes. Why couldn't the original trilogy be the biggest most awesome thing? It dealt with chosen ones and last hopes. Why do you need to make things bigger and better and then fail? I suppose it's to make more money because popular things sell like hotcakes. |
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 4, 2011 21:25:52 GMT -5
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They've already established the first sith and jedi stuff. Heck, that was a while ago. I think they're going to go with the theme that nothing ever changes (See how the Galactic Alliance was seen as starting to become the new Grand Empire)
Kreia was right. The Jedi of her time were nothing to the sith lords. I mean, when the Jedi tried stripping the Exile of her powers a second time, Kreia basically killed all of them with little effort. The Exile is outright stated to have been a jedi of average ability, and she was still child's play compared to the overtop performances attributed to Starkiller, Vader, Yoda, and so forth.
Star Wars isn't continually surging into the past. That's like, two games dude, and maybe some comics. The farthest back that we start hitting the major chunks of content is the Battle for Naboo, and that's pretty darn small compared to the giant that is the Clone Wars era. Which is probably under two hundred years from the Galatic Civil War, which is pretty big in it's own right.
And who says they've failed? Say what you will about Star Wars EU, but it's rolling in the money...
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 4, 2011 22:07:35 GMT -5
the movies never once showed force speed. Happened in Empire Strikes Back. It was so fast you probably missed it. |
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Post by F.K.M on Jul 5, 2011 16:37:51 GMT -5
Something i just remembered about the game 'jedi outcast' is they had black armor (lightsaber resistant armor) and they put it on their dark jedi to make them super powerful. Imagine how much that'd help for the imperium. Only problem is they'd probably consider it heretical and purge it. Well maybe some dark age of technology weapon would purge the star wars empire.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 5, 2011 17:44:14 GMT -5
1. I think you're talking about Shadow Troopers.
2. Lightsaber resistant isn't lightsaber proof. There's a disturbing lack of information on what exactly can kill a shadow trooper, but I'm pretty certain Kyle Katarn did so with a lightsaber.
For all we know, maybe some Grand Empire secret superweapon would totally annihilate the IoM....
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Post by Empirespy on Jul 5, 2011 17:53:40 GMT -5
for all we know the IoM has some super weapon to defeat the GE...
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Post by Trickstick on Jul 5, 2011 18:23:59 GMT -5
The GE invades the IoM. They completely annihilate the world that they appear at. Then they go to light speed and get eaten by daemons, as they have no Gellar fields. Iom win.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 5, 2011 18:37:01 GMT -5
for all we know the IoM has some super weapon to defeat the GE... : I was point that out to FKM, who said the exact same thing you did.... Trickstick: Option 2: IoM invades the GE. Cue this discussion. XD |
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Post by Trickstick on Jul 5, 2011 18:48:10 GMT -5
Trickstick: Option 2: IoM invades the GE. Cue this discussion. XD There are no chaos gods, so warp travel becomes very easy. They can rampage around unchecked. If only they had Macharius then they could conquer the whole empire. Or if we are going "height of power vs height of power", how about a great crusade, lead by the Emperor and the Pirmarchs. With no Chaos gods to be all corrupting, I don't think it is much of a contest. |
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 5, 2011 18:53:12 GMT -5
Warp travel becomes easy, the GE travel ridiculously fast in hyper speed as well, and we had the whole thing earlier about space combat. (To borrow TV Tropes, GE=Fragile Speedster/Lightning Bruiser, IoM=Mighty Glacier).
Req pointed out the Carrick class, and I pointed out the Tartans to swat down IoM Fighters.
Personally, I'm in favor of "They both realize that they both want humans to rule everything, so they all team up because I want an excuse to have Darth Vader back-to-back with Yarrick"
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Post by F.K.M on Jul 5, 2011 20:18:21 GMT -5
Personally, I'm in favor of "They both realize that they both want humans to rule everything, so they all team up because I want an excuse to have Darth Vader back-to-back with Yarrick" No that's like saying the imperium of man would team up with chaos. First off matt ward better not do it. Second off just no they're not going to do it. The imperium of man would just consider them heretics and kill them all the same. Strangely though i think the empire is more humane than the imperium of man. At least there's a place for aliens in the empire even if they're discriminating jerks. |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 5, 2011 21:21:53 GMT -5
Trickstick: Option 2: IoM invades the GE. Cue this discussion. XD There are no chaos gods, so warp travel becomes very easy. They can rampage around unchecked. If only they had Macharius then they could conquer the whole empire. Or if we are going "height of power vs height of power", how about a great crusade, lead by the Emperor and the Pirmarchs. With no Chaos gods to be all corrupting, I don't think it is much of a contest. There's also no warp. Kinda like how if you're going to allow the GE ftl, you can't say that they're prey to warp creatures. The two technologies are completely different. Hyperspace having a vast advantage over warp drives. If you allow the two to work side by side, GE wins. Every time. With Emperor vs Emperor, it'd be quite the spectacle... I have no idea how the IoM Emperor stacks up against the Force. Probably pretty well. The Emperor (GE) diluted his power on making everyone else better, and trying to be immortal. The really badass Sith lords caused stellar incidents to wipe out fleets with their minds. The Emperor (IoM), probably was just an epic badass, Conan-style, who could punch Khorne in the face and get away with it. It's like comparing Mephiston and Yarrick. Both are epic. But they have different roles, even though they're similar. |
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 5, 2011 21:22:57 GMT -5
True. I know the GE kept alien slaves. Then again, these alien species alone didn't present the humanity-ending threat that the aliens in the IoM do. And the IoM never teams up with Chaos. Sections just totally switch sides  . Admit it though, Matt Ward would totally write up something like that. |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 5, 2011 21:25:16 GMT -5
Mat Ward would make sure that the Ultramarines killed the Emperor, not Vader or Skywalker. And the IoM has... non-genocidal relations with a few alien species.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 5, 2011 21:34:35 GMT -5
Would he write Ultramarines taking down X-Wings with their bolters?
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 5, 2011 21:41:33 GMT -5
No. With their acid spit. And Ultramarines don't have to remove their helmets first, either.
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Post by F.K.M on Jul 6, 2011 0:10:04 GMT -5
True. I know the GE kept alien slaves. Then again, these alien species alone didn't present the humanity-ending threat that the aliens in the IoM do. And the IoM never teams up with Chaos. Sections just totally switch sides . Admit it though, Matt Ward would totally write up something like that. True but to be fair both the tau and eldar could be promising allies. Plus as a bonus xeno/human heresy porn. Oh yeah. Not with the tau of course but human and eldar. Tau would just be weird. Eldar though are basically elves so their women would totally rock in the sack. Sorry to get into the elf women are bitches but sex monsters but that's the word on fictional races . Of course if i just wanted pretend sex i'd watch porn and watch pixels dance together or go to sleep and dream it. |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 6, 2011 0:13:11 GMT -5
And that's when everyone, for an instant - no matter how fleeting - thought of wookie porn.
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Post by Julian Sharps on Jul 6, 2011 0:39:25 GMT -5
And that's when everyone, for an instant - no matter how fleeting - thought of wookie porn. Because after all, Wookies don't strip. They shave. |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 6, 2011 3:17:38 GMT -5
Shaved wookies in brown suits... It always comes back to ymmot, doesn't it?
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. 
. Admit it though, Matt Ward would totally write up something like that.