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Post by The Refined Gentleman (M.I.A) on May 12, 2009 1:30:25 GMT -5
I little something i saw on BOLS
So we have been hearing more and more chatter on this one from various sources, with lots of contradictory info on who or what they may be. I'm not even sure what Warhammer system (40k or Fantasy, or both) is being discussed. The common themes of this talk are the following:
1) The studio was given the go ahead to wade into the new race (so we are talking about something that is years off)
2) The new race is non-human in nature. we have all been hearing the vague whispers over the last month or so regarding a new race of some type being given the green light by Games Workshop.
Is it really true? Sorry, no info on their sources.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 3:21:37 GMT -5
Maybe those Fomorians, or whatever their name is for WHF. Zoats for us? Or maybe Slaan revamp?
Or... Emperor protect me.... SQUATS!?
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Post by scythexv8 on May 12, 2009 3:59:52 GMT -5
Holy Emperor! Certainly not Squats! PLEASE! I've no idea what they're planning, but a there's a ton of options if they're human and a ton of tons of options if they're something else...
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 4:23:24 GMT -5
The only new race I've heard of was a combined Inquisition Codex.
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Post by Sgt. Walters on May 12, 2009 7:57:26 GMT -5
I can't quite believe this rumor. At least in the couple few years. :/
They first update all excisting codices to 5th ed (excluding dark eldar).
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Post by SirAndrewD on May 12, 2009 8:04:22 GMT -5
Squats! Grab a tankard of ale and a short pattern lasgun!
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Post by aeonian on May 12, 2009 9:32:41 GMT -5
What is your deal with Squats, anyway, guys? I mean, I take it that it's a joke, but what really is the problem with them? They're imperial forces, but they're dwarves! They use lasguns...but, they're dwarves! If a new Squat codex came out, I'd put Squats in my guard army in Apocalypse because the idea of futuristic Dwarves tickles my fancy! XD
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 9:42:37 GMT -5
IMO Squats are silly... we already have Eldar who are Elvish. If we had Dwarfish Squats, then we might as well play WHF. One of the main reasons I transferred from Fantasy to 40K is the dark sci-fi no-hope feel of it. Plus, the Dwarves recently became comical relief clique, thanks to Gimli parody in LoTR, so in place of grim, hardy, honorable and stubborn race, everyone thinks of Dwarves as pissed-off Scottish circus freaks combining worlds shortest man and bearded woman offspring wielding sledgehammers and axes... Just my two cents there...
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Post by SirAndrewD on May 12, 2009 10:03:57 GMT -5
I think to a lot of older players, either fairly or unfairly, Squats are the embodiment of the corniness of 40k 2nd Edition. A lot of that has to do with their name, which even the old designers admit was a tremendously bad idea, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that they didn't put a lot of effort into the army, and pretty much just made them straight stereotypical fantasy dwarves. The fact that they were the army that didn't make the cut to 3rd Edition sort of made them a scapegoat for the old, brightly colored more fantasy themed days of yore which I feel are best left behind. The way that GW handled their deletion, pretty much obliterating them and then acting like they were a nightmare that didn't actually happen made them even more of a joke, and gave them a life in 40k parody that has honestly grown beyond any real dislike for them that existed back in the day. At least that's how I see it. Maybe it's just because short hairy guys are funny. As a short, hairy person, I know I am.
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Post by inquisitor0sylver on May 12, 2009 10:10:46 GMT -5
The squats suffered from a lack of popularity in 40k for 2 reasons: 1. Both their visual themes, unit types, and background were extremely uninspiring. Short people who live on space trains and mine a lot while drinking ale made from algae, not exactly a recipe for success there. 2. Lack of variety. Every single unit that the squats had was a crappy and less capable copy of a unit in either the Imperial Guard or Space Marine codex. Squads of dudes with Toughness 3 and lasguns? Sounds like IG. Squads of guys with axes and bolt pistols? Sounds like Space Marines. They had bikers like marines too. Really the only unit that they had which was at all original for them was the squad train (Whatever it was called.) which had the most confusing and overcomplicated rules even back when the vehicle rules were horrible.
So squats never really took off on there own. A lot of people had a few to use as allies for their Imperial armies, but squats performed so poorly compared to the other GW lines at the time that after a few years of loosing money GW decided to finally discontinue them.
On what the next race will be, there have been a few rumors for years about the Deimurg, which is a race in Battle Fleet Gothic. They focus on the defense have high tech beam weapons, and if I recall they are serpentine in nature. There was also one short story a while ago of IG kicking their ass. They mine a lot too and are actually decent in BFG. Who knows, maybe it will be them or maybe something completely new.
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Post by John_Galt (M.I.A) on May 12, 2009 10:20:03 GMT -5
I think the Deimurg were an attempt to reintoduce squats (mine a lot, good technology), but they scrapped the idea. Realistically I don't see a new race being introduced anytime soon. What they really need to do is overhaul the =I= codecies (codexes? codexae? codexii? banana?), which they'll probably do before the Dark Eldar (arn't they still in 2nd Edition lol?)
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on May 12, 2009 10:20:50 GMT -5
hmm...WHFB dwarves, add lasguns and the new IG codex...
=SQUATS!
yeah... it could work...
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Post by SirAndrewD on May 12, 2009 10:20:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I heard Demiurg years ago as well. Aren't they part of the Greater Good though? We sure don't need more fish flunkies.
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Post by mrman on May 12, 2009 18:36:49 GMT -5
While the Demiurg are on good relations with the Tau (occasional trading etc.) they aren't actually part of the Tau Empire. But hey? At this point, it's anybody's guess to what it is. I don't think it will be the Demiurg for one reason: in the BoLS blurb, it said the race would be "non-human". I count the Demiurg as humans, just because they look like dwarves. Oh, and inquisitor0sylver, can you get me a link to that story?
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Post by Sister Galatea(M.I.A) on May 12, 2009 19:13:12 GMT -5
I think a combined Inquisition book would be amazing and have tons of options. Go ahead and toss in the Xenos Hunters/Deathwatch and put a smile on my face.
*I def think Dark Eldar need a solid and unique revamp.
Its hard to say what a new army will be, fluff wise and theme wise. I thought the Tau were an amazing new addition to the Warhammer universe! The Necrons, meh, a little bland- a blatant scifi carbon of fantasies tomb kings.
I think an interesting army might be Humans living outside of Imperial Space. Like Rogue traders, Pirates, mercenaries ect. I could def get behind that! Just think of the cool and interesting models.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on May 12, 2009 19:35:33 GMT -5
As long as the combined =I= codex still separates the WH from DH, I'm fine.
Whatever they add as a new race, if it's not part of the Imperium, all I need to know is how to kill them.
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Post by SirAndrewD on May 12, 2009 22:10:53 GMT -5
I think a combined Inquisition book would be amazing and have tons of options. Go ahead and toss in the Xenos Hunters/Deathwatch and put a smile on my face. *I def think Dark Eldar need a solid and unique revamp. Its hard to say what a new army will be, fluff wise and theme wise. I thought the Tau were an amazing new addition to the Warhammer universe! The Necrons, meh, a little bland- a blatant scifi carbon of fantasies tomb kings. I think an interesting army might be Humans living outside of Imperial Space. Like Rogue traders, Pirates, mercenaries ect. I could def get behind that! Just think of the cool and interesting models. I have to agree here. A new race seems to be a pretty bad idea when existing races need so much work and have plenty of room for expansion. Also, a new race would be a risky financial proposition for GW. While there's the attractive prospect of making existing players who want to play the new army have to purchase an entire army's worth of models to begin, that very concept could keep people away at the same time. The race would have to be very attractive, and probably overpowered to really get any interest, and that's not something I want to see. The best point here is that there's a lot of the Imperium that could be covered, especially stuff that used to be in the game but has been abandoned. What I'd like to see is instead of a combined Inquisition book, we could have a "Forces of the Imperium" book. It could cover all the Inquisitorial armies, tie into Guard and Marines for inducted lists, and add in options and lists for things like Rogue Traders and Adventurers. Sure, it'd be huge, but it'd be a seller, especially if they make everything fully interchangeable with other Imperial armies. That's more or less how things were in RT and 2nd Edition, and while I don't want to go back to the crazy mixed lists that I had to endure when I started 40k, I'd like to see more fluffy Imperial (non-squat) options return.
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Post by starwoof on May 12, 2009 22:38:30 GMT -5
I think that 40k needs a new race! There aren't enough alien races. I've played every army sans dark eldar over the years and I know that everyone in my store is interested in a new race to play. What we need is an army that plays differently from the other armies, kind of like tau and daemons.
There are so many races that need to be updated before dark eldar... like... everything.
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Post by Sister Galatea(M.I.A) on May 12, 2009 22:45:26 GMT -5
I think Dark Eldar needs it the most. When is the last time they've had one?
Also, what would the new race do? Tactics? Expertise? ect. It seems like most of the bases are covered.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on May 12, 2009 23:02:59 GMT -5
I really don't see a necessity for a new race at this point in time. I would much prefer to see all the old forgotten races that are still legal lists get updates first, it just makes more sense to update what you have before thinking of adding something new to the list.
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Post by tankshock on May 12, 2009 23:30:09 GMT -5
I'm with The Envoy on this one, there are plenty of fun races, GW just needs to give them some of the lovin' being given to the Smurfs. I pity the races that haven't gotten a significant new model in years.
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Post by starwoof on May 12, 2009 23:52:44 GMT -5
I think that if necrons get a new book they can do whatever they want, I just think dark eldar are a stupid race.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 4:59:49 GMT -5
I agree with Starwoof, Necrons BADLY need a new dex.... plus, they're far more popular than Dark Eldar! The problem with GW is they just try to pimp out SMurfs as much as possible, then the Orks so overweight guys can feel good, then universe stops and they enter cryostatic chambers waiting for the money to flush in.... And then, suddenly they realize there are other races needing an overhaul, so they sloooowly start working again...
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Post by commissargaunt on May 13, 2009 11:17:16 GMT -5
I think if they do a new dex Adeptus Mech would be super awesome.
but thats just my 2 cents
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Post by John_Galt (M.I.A) on May 13, 2009 12:49:59 GMT -5
I think Dark Eldar needs it the most. When is the last time they've had one? 1998
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