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Post by Woz on Aug 31, 2009 19:41:30 GMT -5
OK
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Sept 1, 2009 5:48:29 GMT -5
Keep praying that they do. Personally, I wouldn't trust BnC users as far as I could blast them into tiny pieces with heavy artillery, but really, the decision is going to be made by GW on grounds of investment/profit.
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Post by Melissia on Sept 1, 2009 7:25:42 GMT -5
RT: I would trust them a helluvalot more than I trust managers or other low-level employees. I wouldn't trust managers as far as I could throw their brick and mortar buildings. Over the years they not only have frequently and consistently proven themselves wrong, they've also constantly spread false rumors based on "something I heard from a friend of a friend".
And while there's plenty of things I hate more than rumour-mongering with no evidence to back it up, it's still near the middle of my rather extended list of hates. A dozen BnC posters, including deathwatch players asking about deathwatch for example, all getting basicly the same response is far more reliable, as it doesn't just rely upon one extremely fallible source that rarely even names their own source.
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 1, 2009 8:38:04 GMT -5
Just a couple of points to add to all of this.. <<buy Sisters>> 1) An apology to halosnachtariff for hijacking his thread and making it very off topic <<buy Sisters>> 2) I'm going to collect a Sisters all-infantry horde to prove everyone wrong <<buy Sisters>> 3) I'm going to hypnotise everyone into collecting Sisters (everyone...) <<buy Sisters>> 4) New codex please, Jervis. I promise to buy you 3 bacon sandwiches. <<buy Sisters>>
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Post by nox on Sept 1, 2009 8:54:17 GMT -5
1) An apology to halosnachtariff for hijacking his thread and making it very off topic Tends to happen a lot when Melissia goes off about sisters needing this and that... And reading your points on the subject makes me want to buy sisters... weird. Nox
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 1, 2009 9:32:24 GMT -5
Thanks nox, LOL. Now nobody is going to know what they're buying, or why. I'm off to buy some...
B U Y
S I S T E R S
Edit : I just answered the phone at work, and I told them to buy Sisters. Very embarrassing.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 1, 2009 12:43:20 GMT -5
Call back and ask if it worked.
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Post by Melissia on Sept 1, 2009 13:54:02 GMT -5
Hey, I reserve every right to complain about Sisters not having made any real appearnce in white dwarf for what, seven years now?
You can't say that they are unpopular if they're never advertised, never publicised, never expanded, never given a new codex, etc... it's like building a terrain set, announcing you've built a terrain set, and then saying once in a conversation that it's for sale and then waiting a year and complaining that nobody has bought it yet, when you did nothing other than that one mention that yes, it was for sale, and it was never even out for display.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 1, 2009 14:00:39 GMT -5
GW doesn't really advertise, anyway... I think they should do something. It doesn't have to be expensive, but they really do need to expand their customer base before they run out of customers.
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Post by druchi on Sept 2, 2009 4:47:34 GMT -5
You know its strange everyone knows what Warhammer is but I have NEVER seen an add for 40k.
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 2, 2009 7:40:28 GMT -5
Call back and ask if it worked. It did. On myself!
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 2, 2009 8:44:30 GMT -5
Call back and ask if it worked. It did. On myself! Great Success!
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Post by nox on Sept 2, 2009 10:00:34 GMT -5
Hey, I reserve every right to complain about Sisters not having made any real appearnce in white dwarf for what, seven years now? You reserve the right in every post on the board? I'll give it to you that you have made a lot of conversations arise concerning races that GW seems to have lost their own interest in, though most of the "conversations" are actually complaints and argueing back and forth on who is right. You can't say that they are unpopular if they're never advertised, never publicised, never expanded, never given a new codex, etc... it's like building a terrain set, announcing you've built a terrain set, and then saying once in a conversation that it's for sale and then waiting a year and complaining that nobody has bought it yet, when you did nothing other than that one mention that yes, it was for sale, and it was never even out for display. But GW is not complaining... They are unpopular in fluff terms when compared to the other races. Which is probably why they struggle. And here I'll save your fingers some energy throw in that "If they would update the Sisters then people would like them, and they would sell." K, done. Nox
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Post by verminard on Sept 2, 2009 11:32:25 GMT -5
I would probably field sisters or GK or witch hunter units if they were more up to date honestly. I like the Idea of having a unit show up to deal with a threat that the guard are kept in the dark about.
Having a few plastic models would help a lot too. Ive already dumped tons of money, it would be nice to get a unit that was plastic (stupid steel legion looking so cool).
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Post by Melissia on Sept 2, 2009 11:47:34 GMT -5
Stop being silly nox. Your "answer" to my supposed response is stupid (in part because that's not my initial response to my statement as well).
You say their fluff is unpopular. I ask you... WHAT fluff? If they produced some in even SOME quantity maybe you could tell me if it's popular or not, as it is there's basicly nothing there. A single half-arsed Black Library book doesn't really qualify. There's more information in the Dark Heresy expansion "Inquisitor's Handbook" about the Sisters than int he latest Sisters codex for that matter, which is just sad to say the least.
In comparison to what they've done with Marines, the fluff for Sisters is basically "hey, there's these girls, see, and they have guns, yeah? And they're all faithful and stuff. Yeah, and they use flamers." Yes, I'm exaggerating the problem, but the fact remains that they haven't produced enough quantity and quality of fluff that you can really accurately say anything at any rate. As RT basically said, the Sisters end up being depicted as homocidal religious monsters, or as Mary Sue heroines whom do everything right and never make mistakes.
Sisters are Human. Though their training regimen, extreme faith, and the extreme exclusivity of their organization (allowing for them to adopt only the best of the best of the best or better, etc) make them nigh-impossible to corrupt, they are still human. They make mistakes, errors of judgment, they have human emotions. Sisters can have ambition, or they can be supremely humble. They can fall in love (even if they are likely to suppress that love for the sake of duty, not all Orders require Sisters to maintain vows of chastity for example), they can be blinded by hate.
There's a supreme amount of potential, untapped. The very fact that they ARE human should end up making them much easier to write for, even if all but one or two of the Black Library's eighty or so writers are male (I know Sandy Mitchel write a very believable and interesting female character in Amberley Vail, for example).
And yes, as I said, I reserve the right to complain about White Dwarf in a thread that discusses White Dwarf. If ya don't approve, I don't care.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Sept 2, 2009 13:28:57 GMT -5
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Post by nox on Sept 2, 2009 13:35:27 GMT -5
Stop being silly nox. Your "answer" to my supposed response is stupid (in part because that's not my initial response to my statement as well). Your post yesterday said that if they are never updated then how can anyone like them... So my statement and "response" stands. I personally play sisters(own more than play) because i think they are interesting models that look good painted and on the table. As for their idea, fluff, and story... Meh. They are, as you said, human. Emotions, errors, mistakes are all flaws. If given the choice of big hulking marine(subtract that they are the poster child) who knows no fear and is always spot on, or the human who has flaws most people will choose the "sure bet" test tube human. Yes, they should be A LOT easier to write for. Why they don't? I have no idea, because I'm not them. Back to work... Nox
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Post by Melissia on Sept 2, 2009 13:39:40 GMT -5
Dunno what simplistic players you're used to, but most people I know tend to hate "Mary Sue" characters, and that's basically what Marines tend to be (either that or Villain Sue, which isn't any better). Marine players whom care about fluff at all tend to humanize their characters, as Marines have very repetative, boring stories otherwise...
They give their characters flaws because flawless characters are boring. Basically making Marines more human in order to make them not suck so hard as characters. But then, with Sisters you don't have to make them more human. They already are.
Also on a note of personal opinion, Marines are less awesome than Guard or Sororitas by default, precisely BECAUSE they know no fear. Bravery is the act of overcoming fear, after all.
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Post by nox on Sept 2, 2009 13:59:51 GMT -5
I'm used to playing with the bulk of the hobby community which is younger people(12-16). These, after all, are the players who will drive the hobby and continue to fund that GW store you play in(or don't, whatever). And they are also the target audiance, the youth who want to play their favorite super hero in army form.
Marines by themselves are not "characterful", but the chapter as a whole is. Which gives you fighting style, battles, how they act toward others(other anythings), and how they act in battle which is a major draw to the game; battles.
Nox
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Post by Melissia on Sept 2, 2009 14:03:07 GMT -5
And the same can be said for Sisters orders, Guard regiments/companies, etc. Also, no Astartes chapter can ever be as characterful as the Orks
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 2, 2009 14:06:02 GMT -5
RT plugs his fluff once again...
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Post by nox on Sept 2, 2009 14:08:11 GMT -5
Lol, go RT! I clicked.. haha.
NOTHING can be as charactful as orks. They are the the definition of the word. Finally we agree on something? haha
Nox
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 2, 2009 15:48:58 GMT -5
I'd like to see the different orders of sisters get some differentiation. That should be the next WD article.
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Post by nox on Sept 2, 2009 16:30:28 GMT -5
I think LOTR should be in every White Dwarf... It's still a core system for now. No love for LOTR...
Different sister orders would be cool though.
Nox
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Sept 2, 2009 16:35:01 GMT -5
Personally, I couldn't care less if the entire LoTR range disappeared into the earth, preferably taking Matt Ward with it.
But the main reason I plugged my fluff is because it seems no-one is willing to comment on it any more. I mean, I update once a month, but it's usually a bloody sizeble update, and then....one, maybe two comments.
Gah.
It's depressing.
Besides, I'm particularly proud of that part. It's the single most twisted post on this board. Seriously, not even Ymmot can match that.
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