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Post by crazyskindog88 on Mar 9, 2010 18:23:00 GMT -5
where to find what? The Blood Angels models? On the GW website advance orders page
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Post by seed on Mar 9, 2010 18:40:10 GMT -5
CLEANSE THE MUTANT WITH FLAMES OF HOLY FIREor battle cannon.
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deton8r
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Bending rules and asking dumb questions
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Post by deton8r on Mar 9, 2010 19:09:12 GMT -5
I'm probably getting at nothing here but nayone notice that the furioso is now listed under the troops section on the gw website?? (uk that is)
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Mar 9, 2010 19:18:30 GMT -5
Ooo... I wonder what I could do with that if it stays there...
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Post by ranwulf on Mar 9, 2010 20:42:18 GMT -5
Now we have true angels of death!
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Post by seed on Mar 9, 2010 21:01:21 GMT -5
They look to cheesy to be taken seriously.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Mar 9, 2010 23:02:26 GMT -5
Seed, sometimes I feel like you're the Willem of the other hemisphere.
On topic: I have to admit, I am a bit put off by the Sanguinor's winged cod piece...
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Mar 9, 2010 23:11:08 GMT -5
So...many...jokes...
All of them...inappropriate.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Mar 9, 2010 23:26:06 GMT -5
So...many...jokes... All of them...inappropriate. Those are the best kind! The best part is that the big drop of blood....was not well placed, so to speak. Reds
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Mar 9, 2010 23:55:05 GMT -5
Hence: I find it disturbing.
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Mar 10, 2010 5:12:30 GMT -5
Do my eyes deceive me or is the BA on the right at the back have a wrist mounted metlagun/melta pistol/inferno pistol?
Also looks like they'll be having some form of Relic Blade goodness - wonder what differences that'll have to normal blades? "Blood-Drinker", "Soul-Drinker?
The blood drop (and wings for that matter) are unfortunate...
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Post by ranwulf on Mar 10, 2010 12:00:53 GMT -5
Why does everyone keeps talking of Blood Angels like this? LEAVE THE BLOOD ANGELS ALONE!
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Mar 10, 2010 12:13:34 GMT -5
Why does everyone keeps talking of Blood Angels like this? LEAVE THE BLOOD ANGELS ALONE!Not until they're perfect, like they should be. Gabe: Yup! Wrist-mounted bolters and melta guns. There might be other stuff, too. Edit: Yes, there's a plasma one too.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Mar 10, 2010 13:35:50 GMT -5
So. I got an email today. Here's what it said about BA.
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Special rules for the chapter. NO COMBAT TACTICS. Yep. Thats right. We have Shall No, No Fear. that's it. Most of our units have Red Thirst. This means if we roll a 1 at the start of the game WE TRADE, SHALL NO, NO FEAR FOR Fearless + Furious Charge. Some of our Jump Pack units have Descent of Angels. They scatter 1D6 instead of 2D6. Doesn't look like we have access to Relic Blades. Full stop. Combat Squads still.
Dante: He is the Same cost as Mephiston from our current PDF. He has the Death Mask of Sanguinius, his Perdition Pistol and the Axe Mortalis. Artificer / Iron Halo he makes Sang guard count as troops. Mask of Sanguinius: Nominate One Enemy HQ and they have -1WS, -1I, -1W, -1A. Cool no? Axe Mortalis: Master Crafted Power Axe He enables any unit he is with to deepstrike and not scatter and gives any unit he is in hit and run.
Meph is the point cost of a land raider. He is not a independent character. So he cannot run with a squad. I didn't get a look at the pyschic powers, between the GW staff taking the book off me every 5 minutes and me trying to take notes without being obvious.... that was the last thing I was about to look at. His Transifixing Glare however makes a model in base to base take a leadership check at -4 leadership. If failed meph rerolls to hit and to wound against that model. 3 powers a turn. We have seen the leaked powers. I know one is called blood lance, goes 4D6 in a single direction, any model hit takes a S8 AP 2 hit. If it saves the hit, then the blood lance stops.
Seth is 35 points more than our current lemartes. Seth has a 3+/4+, is an IC. He has a S8 Rending 2h weapon. He has two abilities. First, he can do a "whirlwind" attack. This enables a 1 AUTO HIT, on every model in base to base contact with him. Considering he has 4 base attacks... if you have 3 or more models in base to base with you you would pretty much use this ability. You auto hit. If he comes on a basic base you can fit 6 bases in base to base contact. Terminator bases can fit 8. I worked this out
His 2nd Ability, for every 1 rolled against him in CC to hit, the attack takes a Str 4 hit. So you just roll to wound.
Grim is 5 points less than our current PDF Mephiston. IS a Chaplain. When you roll for Red Thirst 1-3 you will have FC and Fearless. For all units who have Red Thirst. He has a S6 weapon, 3 attacks, and all successful invuls have to be re-rolled. He's 30 points less than a Land Raider. If in a squad he has litinaies of hate. So they reroll to hit. HOWEVER! If in a Death Company squad... they reroll to HIT, and TO WOUND! Damn its nasty.
Sanguinor is 50 points more than our Current Mephiston. He has a few really cool abilities. He is fearless, Eternal Warrior, Furious Charge, is not a independent char. Master crafted 2H sword. He is WS8 S5 I6. So on the charge he is S6 I7. Yep. He has a +1A to units within 6" Not including himself. He has 5 attacks Base. 2+ Save and 3+ invun
Nominate one Enemy HQ at the start of the Game. Sanguinor rerolls all failed to hit and to wound rolls against this HQ. Blessing of Sanguinor. Select a Sgt in your army, he receives the blessing of Sanguinor +1WS, +1I, +1W, +1A to his profile for the game. Yep... Your Sgt become buff.
Tycho is interesting... very interesting... he is 50 points more than our current Lemartes.
First off.... he has artificer armor, Iron Halo. He has his combi bolter with sterguard ammo options. He also has digital weapons (reroll one failed to wound) He IGNORES ALL ARMOR SAVES IN CLOSE COMBAT! woo hoo. Finally. Not only that, against vehicles he rolls a EXTRA D6 FOR PEN. But he is only S4.
Now of the two versions he has... Sane version of Tycho is A3, LD10 with battle rites? Where any unit on the board can use his leadership for morale checks.
Death Company Version becomes WS7 gets a additional Attack, is fearless, gets furious Charge, Relentless and feel no pain.
Our Chaplain HQ is 5 points more than our current Lemartes. He has 3W 3A. All chaplains who are in death company give them rerolls to hit and to wound on the charge.
Librarians are the cost of our current Corbulo. 2W 2A.
We still have the option of the Company Captain. He is still the same point cost. He has the same upgrades as the C:SM. EXCEPT. NO access to relic blade. Storm Shield is 5 points more... If in terminator armor with SS i think the SS costs 15 or 20 points. So your paying whatever it is to upgrade to terminator armor and then a additional 15 or 20 for the SS.
ok... now thats pretty much the HQ done.
Honor Guard same price as the C:SM honor guard. Cept you get 5. Not 3. You can take one per HQ choice selected. Again no access to relic blade, but can access the 2H MC PW.
Troops: Please note: DC and DC dread are not scoring.
Tactical Squad - Same price as C:SM.
Death Company - Basic squad is 3 big. Cost is a C:SM speeder with a MM. Each Additional DC is the "Typhoon patten MM upgrade cost" Can field up to a additional 1-27 models of DC on top of the 3 already fielded. Jump Packs are the Cost of a Power Weapon each. So DC with JP are 5 points less than a Terminator. They have bolters and bolt pistol. You have to exchange for CCW.
They still have black rage which means they run to the closet enemy. They have relentless, furious charge, FNP. Every 5 DC you can take a infernus pistol or plasma. Any model can take PW/PF/TH etc. You can upgrade one to Lemartes W2 A2 I6. He has FNP as well. 3+ save 4+ invun. Has a MC PW. Forget his WS. Sorry think its 6. He costs the same as 3 attack bikes from our current PDF codex. He has a awesome ability... If he takes a WOUND and is put down to 1W, he becomes S5 and has 5 attacks. Yep... Nasty.
DC Dreadnought - Is the Cost of the Current PDF vindicator. It has 3 base attacks and +1 for CCW. It has FLEET, Furious Charge. Ignores Shaken and stunned. F12 S12 R10. Can only take 1 per 5 DC. 3 attacks base, 4 with the extra CCW.
Scouts - Same as C:SM
Assault Marines - Same as C:SM for point cost. If you don't want to take jump packs, they get a 35 point discount on any dedicated transport they wish to purchase. Rhino, Razorback, Land Raider, Drop Pod, etc. Have Descent of Angels. Special weapon for every 5 models.
Elites: Sang Guard - Cost the same price as our current PDF Dante or a terminator squad. They come with artificer armor and a 2H master crafted Power Weapon. They have a special Wrist mounted bolter - 12" Range AP4 Assault 2. They don't get a bonus for this in CC. Have Descent of Angels.
They can have Death Masks are a cost of a Powerfist for the entire squad. When charging into combat your opponett takes a leadership check and if they fail you reroll to hit and wound against them. Can have a Banner (+1 Attack) at the cost of 30points.
Sang Priest is the cost of a C:SM land speeder. They come as 1-3 per elite choice. You can upgrade one to Corbulo. Corbulo has a S5 rending Chainsword, I5, W2, +1A. Corbulo gives himself only a 2+ FNP. Anyone within 6" of a Sang Priest receives FNP and FC. So I believe you can have squads of 11. i.e 10 tact marines and one Sang Priest. Corbulo is the cost he currently is +5. He can do a single reroll in the game, if he dies before you use the reroll its bad luck. So you can reroll sieze the initiative or a invun save. They are all INDEPENDENT CHARACTERS!
Chaplains - W2 A2. The cost they currently are in our current PDF. They are now elite choices.
Tech Marine - Same cost as the Chaplain above.
Sternguard - Same as C:SM
Terminators - Same as C:SM Can take a 10 man squad have to pay a extra 40 per model.
Terminator Assault Squad - Same as C:SM. HOWEVER if you want TH/SS it costs 5 points per model. Can take a 10 man squad have to pay a extra 40 per model.
Furioso Dreadnought - The cost of a C:SM Vanguard/Sternguard unit. Costs a 50 points to upgrade to a Librarian Furioso.
Librarian Furioso has Force Weapon, Psychic hood and 2 abilties. Still gets the +1 from having another CCW. But you have to choose either the Blood Fist (PF) Or the Force Weapon when attacking in CC. Both Versions have F13,S12,R10. Red Thirst (So they can get furious charge) There is a few upgrades for the furioso. One is you can take a new weapon called Blood Talons. They are a S6 weapon.
Count as lightning Claws (So you get to reroll to wound) Every wound caused gives you a immediate extra attack. Don't forget your WS6. So hitting most things on 3's. There is also the Frag Cannon which replaces one of the Arms. Its a S6 AP- Rending Flamer Template. Assault 2. The NO AP is a bit gay... but rending and you get two shots. 2 attacks Base, 3 with the CCW.
Fast Attack: Scout Bikers - Yes we have scout bikers. Yes they can take locator beacons still. Not sure on point cost, Just checked to make sure they were there.
Vanguard - 10 points cheaper than C:SM. Have all the same options. DO NOT HAVE DESCENT OF ANGELS. So they still scatter 2D6. Have heroic intervention. Sgt doesn't have relic blade option. Storm Shields are 5points more than there Space Marine Codex. Jump Pack cost is still the same.
Baal Predator - Same cost as a C:SM Vindicator. Fast Vehicle, Has SCOUT. Can replace the Twin Linked Assault Cannon for a flame storm cannon for FREE. Can take Heavy Flamer sponsons at the cost of a PF. Heavy Bolter Sponsons at a extra 5 on top of that. No Search Light. 1pt for it.
Land Speeder - Didn't get a chance to check it out Attack Bike - Didn't get a chance to check it out
Heavy Support: Vindicator - Fast Vehicle. 30 points more than the C:SM Vindicator. So you can move 12" and shoot its main weapon.
No access to land raiders. They are dedicated transports now.
Dreadnoughts - Same cost as the C:SM dreadnoughts, except ours are HS instead of elite. Same upgrades. The rest I am not sure.
Dedicated Transports:
Drop Pod Rhino - Fast Vehicle is 15 points more than the current C:SM rhino.
Storm Raven - is the cost of Dante from our current PDF. F12,S12,R10. Melta only rolls 1D, not 2D6. Fast Vehicle. Is a Assault Vehicle. Works exactly like the Valkyrie from guard. You can deepstrike units out of it if you move. Can carry 12 passengers and/or Dreadnought. (Not sure what this means spoke to the staff at GW and they said it could still only transport 1 unit...)
Land Raider - We have access to all 3. Not sure on costs... This is where the store "Closed" and the GW staff member snatched the book from me so he could take it home to look at overnight
Pretty much everything is on par with C:SM for costs. A few minor adjustments here and there. Namely we cannot take relic blades. Storm Shields are 5 points more. Our vehicles are more cause they have fast vehicles.
Forgot to add - Sorry adding all this as I remember it... Magna Grapple on furioso, is 15 pts. Doesn't take up a weapon slot either. So you don't need to replace a CCW.
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Reds
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Post by ranwulf on Mar 10, 2010 14:13:27 GMT -5
Oh my god!
Hahahahaha!
Well, I think I will get noe more Valkirye just to make my Storm Raven! And...baals predators, more Death Company.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Mar 10, 2010 15:10:55 GMT -5
Oh my god! Hahahahaha! Well, I think I will get noe more Valkirye just to make my Storm Raven! And...baals predators, more Death Company. Glad you liked the news. I was a bit surprised when I found that in my email this morning. If it wasn't for the fact I'm saving up for something else, I'd probnably start a BA army too, just because I like the models. Reds
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Post by Laughing Man on Mar 10, 2010 15:21:30 GMT -5
I'm starting one, because i've been waiting for this for a long damn time.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Mar 10, 2010 15:30:09 GMT -5
And here I was going to try to trade my vindicator! Fast! Ahaha! I might actually use it for the first time come April.
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Post by ranwulf on Mar 10, 2010 15:43:52 GMT -5
Until my IG army gets here I will have a lot of fun with Vindicators!!! Boom, boom, hahaha, boom, yeah baby!
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Mar 10, 2010 15:45:42 GMT -5
This looks interesting, but not unbeatable.
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Post by seed on Mar 10, 2010 16:20:44 GMT -5
Seed, sometimes I feel like you're the Willem of the other hemisphere. I was drinking yesterday.
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Post by 3ff3ct on Mar 10, 2010 16:38:43 GMT -5
Seed spells better too. I may re-do my BA's. I found them and their paint jobs made me sad I might list them on ebay as 'pro-painted' ;D
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Mar 10, 2010 16:46:53 GMT -5
Seed, sometimes I feel like you're the Willem of the other hemisphere. I was drinking yesterday. Then at least, I hope you were enjoying yourself. Just be careful RT doesn't shoot you in the head again.
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Post by cheminhaler on Mar 10, 2010 17:59:37 GMT -5
Shame no Stormraven model yet. You could make a flying shampoo bottle proxy.
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Post by Hetfiltrator on Mar 10, 2010 18:46:52 GMT -5
Ummmm.... guys? Is it a problem that I actually started drooling? No joke.
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