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Post by Comrade on Nov 7, 2011 11:16:07 GMT -5
Orikan the diviner. All open terrain counts as difficult terrain for his opponent in their first turn. C'tan shard with Writhing world scape. All difficult terrain counts as dangerous terrain. Dangerous terrain tests causes a wound on a 1 or 2. It either forces players to take the chance of losing models turn 1 or being forced to move nothing in turn 1. Looks like I'll be waiting for them to come to me then. And I'm putting my money on me having more bodies I'm willing to sacrfice for victory then he will in his whole army. Like my LRMBTs move anyways. they have a 72" range battlecannon for a reason.
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Post by Hetfiltrator on Nov 7, 2011 11:58:38 GMT -5
...and one of the Necron special characters cuts off one of Helbrecht's (High Marshall of the Black Templars) hands to "teach him a lesson." *Eye twitches* Reds I guess that you could say... you're... seeing red. YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
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Post by treadiculous on Nov 7, 2011 16:49:45 GMT -5
oh, c'mon.. 40k has sooooo much fluff, how could any one remember it all!
I mean, its not like there's some enormous fluff library of information that's free and easy to use...
and, well you know, these guys that make the rules and stuff, you don't expect them to understand how it all works do you?.. I mean, it's a modern business with high demands, not some kind of hobby or game!
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Havoc
Conscript
Kill 'em all
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Post by Havoc on Nov 7, 2011 16:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by Laughing Man on Nov 8, 2011 11:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Nov 8, 2011 11:35:34 GMT -5
More like, "Drive us closer, we want to kick them with our dangling feet."
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Post by Machine Gun Kelly on Nov 8, 2011 14:57:28 GMT -5
Silly codex.
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Obscura
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Danger Close
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Post by Obscura on Nov 8, 2011 16:00:19 GMT -5
Played a few games of 1500 and 1850, tailored my list to the point where my opponent has to deal with Night Fighting rules for 4+ turns, allows me to get close enough and hit them in the face.
Liking this codex so far.
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Post by Hetfiltrator on Nov 8, 2011 16:46:39 GMT -5
What the flak is that thing?
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Post by cheminhaler on Nov 8, 2011 17:16:41 GMT -5
Well the guy standing up at the back is the DJ, and the two down below just rotate continuously, to the music, while the whole platform vibrates.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Nov 8, 2011 18:00:21 GMT -5
What the flak is that thing? Hetlan, it is a Catacomb Command Barge ridden by a surfing Necron Overlord. While I think it is a silly model, I'm actually probably going to buy one so I can scavenge the plastic Overlord and have him on foot, as well as snag various bits to use elsewhere, and turn the hull and guns into scenery pieces.
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Post by emptyhat on Nov 9, 2011 23:26:04 GMT -5
They probably kill the Emperor when he wakes up so they can keep on crusading until the end of time. No, they'll just have librarians and devastators, and their unending crusade will be penance because they rejected the Codex. Reds I always wondered if part of the role of the Templars might be to resolve the storyline of the Golden Throne holding the Emperor back from being reborn/recovering. Afterall it does mention that their full force could probably cut a bloody path to Terra itself and if they saw visions of the Emperor restored... Of course it isn't really part of GW's plan for the Emperor to walk the Materium once more, although it would fit with you guy's perceptions of Ward.
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Nov 10, 2011 5:29:10 GMT -5
Ok... couldn't hold back any longer... - Pariahs are gone are they? If you have the codex READ IT - they are NOT gone.
- Fluff/Cron background wise - this is a really good evolution of the fluff. In the 3rd ed Rulebook, it tells us that Necrons of higher levels generally had their personalities intact
- The character that rides on the Catacomb Command Barge can DISMOUNT to attack on foot - so yes "Drive me close I want to hit them with my Warscythe!" makes sense... The kit also contains a normal base for the Overlord model (particularly for when you make the kit up as the Annihilation Barge).
- As for what the Emperor is actually doing on the Golden Throne - read "The Horus Heresy - Collected Visions" (page 323 if memory serves me).
RT, your usual... "interesting fury" at most GW things didn't surface - infact you were defending the new crons fluff. Bravo old chap... might have to get you a present...
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Nov 10, 2011 8:34:33 GMT -5
RT, your usual... "interesting fury" at most GW things didn't surface - infact you were defending the new crons fluff. Bravo old chap... might have to get you a present... The rules are still so moronically composed as to defy all human reason, inspire unholy lust within the loins of powergaming scum, and to make Gav Thorpe, the prior incarnation of the Dark Angel of Powergamers, look positively decent. At least he didn't write teenage slash fic for codex fluff.
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Nov 10, 2011 8:39:18 GMT -5
Ah... there it is Played against the Necrons the other day in a 500pt match - seemed pretty balanced (even more so considering I was using a particularly fragile Nid force...)
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Nov 10, 2011 8:48:58 GMT -5
Ah... there it is Played against the Necrons the other day in a 500pt match - seemed pretty balanced (even more so considering I was using a particularly fragile Nid force...) One game is not a representative sample of the codex as a whole.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Nov 10, 2011 9:25:37 GMT -5
Hi Lupus, I'm sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with you on the new Necron fluff... It's horrible. Ward essentially squatted down and left a huge steaming pile on what had been previously established. I am not a fan at all... The new minis (mostly), rules and wargear are nice, but you will never see me using a named character in my Necron force. The only solution that I see is that my 'Crons will be from the Severed, where all the constructs had their memories wiped, and the planet's mainframe took over, as I feel that fits the old Necron fluff much better that what Ward has "created."
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Nov 10, 2011 12:01:02 GMT -5
We can see how the Ordo GW uses mind cleansing on its employees. It's possible that getting a job there is some sort of Faustian deal.
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Nov 11, 2011 4:55:59 GMT -5
Ah... there it is Played against the Necrons the other day in a 500pt match - seemed pretty balanced (even more so considering I was using a particularly fragile Nid force...) One game is not a representative sample of the codex as a whole.No, but playing five or six gives a reasonable idea - especially combined with seeing four different variations used, 3-4 times each. How many times have you played against them to garner your opinion? I'm not a fan of snap judgements either... but then that appears to be what everyone seems to be doing. Without the benefit of playing with, or watching, the army performing on the table top. Hi Lupus, I'm sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with you on the new Necron fluff... It's horrible. Ward essentially squatted down and left a huge steaming pile on what had been previously established. I am not a fan at all... The new minis (mostly), rules and wargear are nice, but you will never see me using a named character in my Necron force. The only solution that I see is that my 'Crons will be from the Severed, where all the constructs had their memories wiped, and the planet's mainframe took over, as I feel that fits the old Necron fluff much better that what Ward has "created." I can easily respect that - personally I'm not a huge fan of a lot of little bits of fluff from across many different areas. But having an additional insight into the IP and 'hobby lore' protection involved gives me a tempered observation of what's happening/happened to the fluff. As for doing a SC free army from one of the Severed Worlds, that sounds like a very groovy background for your army. They were, incidentally, the ones most encountered by the Imperium earliest (hence the fluff/impression given in the old codex). We can see how the Ordo GW uses mind cleansing on its employees. It's possible that getting a job there is some sort of Faustian deal. Alternatively read as "Becoming a GW employee gives you access to the complete catalogue of 'real' canon". I take it by Faustian you're referring to the commonly portrayed misconception that the deal was struck for simple personal gain, rather than intellectual advancement? Either way it's a bit of a tenuous accusation considering I've actually looked it up myself in the available archives and my own personal collection of info gathered from Rogue Trade onwards. Whether I was working for GW or not, I'd still have the same opinion on the fluff - please don't use my employer as a way to discredit my opinion . I'm sure if I really wanted to, I could use anyone on here's employment status/employer to have a cheap dig if I wanted - but I'm above such pettiness, prefering to use logical and factual arguements instead.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Nov 11, 2011 5:54:00 GMT -5
One game is not a representative sample of the codex as a whole. No, but playing five or six gives a reasonable idea - especially combined with seeing four different variations used, 3-4 times each. How many times have you played against them to garner your opinion? I don't need to have my army wiped out to know that some of these rules are moronic. Incidentally, 5-6 games is not a representative sample either. You'd need to play 30 or more. Even then, pick-up games tend to be "fairer" as a lot of players don't gimp their army to the ridiculous max. I'm not a fan of snap judgements either... but then that appears to be what everyone seems to be doing. Without the benefit of playing with, or watching, the army performing on the table top. Rules theory is the theoretical application of the rules The game is those rules applied by a person, often one who does not have an interest in maximising the effectiveness/cheesiness/sheer dumbfúckery of their list. Ergo, one may presume that I do not need to play against, or with, this list to understand that sections of the rules are moronic in extremis. Though I guessed Pariahs were just being rebranded as the "Lychguard". In all fairness, I've basically dropped out of 40K because I'm sick of caring about whatever dumbass thing GW are going to do next. I still model and paint, and I'll even play some games of 40K with my friends, but right now I'm far more interested in developing Tempest.
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Post by emptyhat on Nov 11, 2011 10:54:04 GMT -5
Whether or not Gabriel’s sample is representative of all lists or not and whether or not his sample size is large enough he is correct in defending himself on the grounds that he is basing his opinion on real rather than imagined data.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Nov 11, 2011 11:14:20 GMT -5
So if I got an annihilation barge, used the lord on foot and got some immortals and a box of warriors with scarabs and maybe some pretorians...um...my extremely rough calculations from a few sources I've found online tells me I might be able to make something around 750 points...
Yeah, and I can justify it by saying it will eventually be for my friend Yeed, who already has a necron army but won't be buying anything new any time soon because he just had a baby. (Who has been asking me for about a week before the codex came out if I had bought any new necrons...so I think he's trying to tell me something.)
I'mma give my necron lord a deathmark's head.
All hail lord Pyclotep.
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Nov 11, 2011 11:54:16 GMT -5
I think you'll probably find you've got some spare points left over too Ymmot - but definitely a good start. As for the Deathmark headed Lord, seen that done and it looks very groovy - and if you're having Immortals, you'll have some spare Deathmark heads . ... 5-6 games is not a representative sample either. You'd need to play 30 or more. Did I say it was a 'representative' sample? No. I said it gave a 'reasonable idea'. Rules theory is the theoretical application of the rules The game is those rules applied by a person, often one who does not have an interest in maximising the effectiveness/cheesiness/sheer dumbfúckery of their list. Ergo, one may presume that I do not need to play against, or with, this list to understand that sections of the rules are moronic in extremis. By the same logic, I have also been able to use 'Rules theory' to ascertain that the rules are infact not 'moronic in the extremis'. The difference here is that I can back up my theory with practical application. Practical application in itself generally trumps theory (hence all the playtesting that occurs). Though I guessed Pariahs were just being rebranded as the "Lychguard". In all fairness, I've basically dropped out of 40K because I'm sick of caring about whatever dumbass thing GW are going to do next. I still model and paint, and I'll even play some games of 40K with my friends, but right now I'm far more interested in developing Tempest. Yeah, Pariahs are now basically covered by Lychguard - but now have additional options for added groovy variety... If you're sick of caring about 'whatever dumbass thing GW are going to do next' why so blindly opinionated on the matter? As much as I love these disagreements on the rules, just remember that your opinion (and mine for that mattter) are not the be all and end all of it. You're kind of coming across as being blind (intentionally or not) to the opinions of others.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Nov 11, 2011 12:05:00 GMT -5
We can see how the Ordo GW uses mind cleansing on its employees. It's possible that getting a job there is some sort of Faustian deal. Alternatively read as "Becoming a GW employee gives you access to the complete catalogue of 'real' canon". I take it by Faustian you're referring to the commonly portrayed misconception that the deal was struck for simple personal gain, rather than intellectual advancement? Either way it's a bit of a tenuous accusation considering I've actually looked it up myself in the available archives and my own personal collection of info gathered from Rogue Trade onwards. Whether I was working for GW or not, I'd still have the same opinion on the fluff - please don't use my employer as a way to discredit my opinion . I'm sure if I really wanted to, I could use anyone on here's employment status/employer to have a cheap dig if I wanted - but I'm above such pettiness, prefering to use logical and factual arguements instead. I was just having a little fun. Although your posting style has changed a bit.
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Nov 11, 2011 12:11:54 GMT -5
No prob's Req - just thought I should clarify my position Occurred to me later that a Faustian approach is quite appropriate for a lot of Inquisitors... Mainly just been really tired lately...
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