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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jun 24, 2009 13:00:54 GMT -5
The Guard players biggest mistake: Leman. Russ. Punisher. Otherwise known as: Fail-on-treads. I mean, dear god man, you wrote the codex - you must realise how much of a screwup you made there? For thirty points less, you get a LRBT, otherwise known as the most awesome tank in the game. For ten more, you get enough plasma to flatten cities!
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 24, 2009 13:04:07 GMT -5
Yeah, you'd think he's know his way around the codex.
But then again, he probably had the thought process that went like this:
"Useful weapon that can likely win this battle for me? Naaah, I'd rather 20 utterly useless shots."
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Post by Gree on Jun 24, 2009 13:11:40 GMT -5
You know in theory the defender could auto-win each game by covering the entire board with terrian. Making deep striking impossible.
However it sounds like Cruddace did a cruddy job with the battle.
.............bad pun I know.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 24, 2009 13:14:27 GMT -5
Well, it looks like those Firestorm templates clear out terrain, so that tactic may or may not be the best. But it would really be nasty.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jun 24, 2009 13:15:30 GMT -5
No, because if you DS into difficult terrain, you simply take a dangerous terrain check. It's only enemy models and dangerous terrain that cause a mishap.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 24, 2009 13:22:13 GMT -5
So, then you build a giant mountain table and put the fortress on the very top.
Oh, that would be a pretty cool looking table...
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 24, 2009 13:25:07 GMT -5
Then they land on the fortress......
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 24, 2009 13:35:35 GMT -5
Not if said fortress is covered in troops. Nowhere to scatter.
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Post by commissargaunt on Jun 24, 2009 13:38:23 GMT -5
lovin' those tactics, although in that situation they would probably just max out on armour+ artillery to come on from a board edge and just slowly pound you away before D/S ing.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 24, 2009 15:41:58 GMT -5
Not if said fortress is covered in troops. Nowhere to scatter. I never found that sensible. I mean, if you landed on a guy, chances are, you wouldn't go flying off for like 40 meters. If you were a Marine, and your droppod landed on some poor fellow, I'd say it counts as an instant kill . I mean just picture it... Guardsman: Oh no! A Drop pod is about to crush me!" Marine: MWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Guardsman: *Ducks* Drop Pod: *Ricochets off of the Guardsmen, and lands about 60 meters away...... EDIT: You know how many free Firestorm (name?) attacks you'd get with that much terrain? You could wipe out the army without landing a single unit....
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 24, 2009 16:16:30 GMT -5
Well, Drop Pods completely ignore this rule, as they reduce the scatter distance to avoid the obstacle anyway.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 24, 2009 16:41:01 GMT -5
Back a bit, Punisher = Lemon Russ... *crickets*
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 24, 2009 16:42:48 GMT -5
I think the reason he picked the Punisher is due to the fact he was thinking that Eldar have generally low Toughness and low armor saves. This means that his weapon would wound on two's and still do a good bit of damage due to failed armor saves.
What he didn't take into account is how crappy the damn tank really is.
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Post by Melissia on Jun 24, 2009 17:46:39 GMT -5
The tank would be fine if it was thirty points cheaper. It's not that it's necessarilly BAD, it's overpriced (there are few units I'd call really "bad"; the Punisher certainly is not at the level of Repentia anyway).
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Post by commissargaunt on Jun 24, 2009 17:48:36 GMT -5
the punisher isn't that crappy. It has its uses. with 3 HBs and a stubber its a nid'/ ork horde killer, but frankly that is pretty much its only use, although it does it very well it is a VERY one trick pony. I used one recently against a nid' horde with a flyrant. Lascannoned the flyrant to death on turn 2 then proceeded to open up the taps with the punisher. It was regularly killing 12-16 gaunts per turn. It in fact made its points back by turn four (shaken on turn 3 by some warriors) when I opened up on said warriors. I killed all six of em mainly due to eighteen hits from the punisher cannon I tell you when this thing hits it wins.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 24, 2009 20:12:57 GMT -5
Man, the defender has to really balance the terrain...Too much, and the attacker can just blow him away with preliminary strikes...Too little, and he/she has no cover.....
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Post by John_Galt (M.I.A) on Jun 25, 2009 7:28:20 GMT -5
I think the reason he picked the Punisher is due to the fact he was thinking that Eldar have generally low Toughness and low armor saves. I have never seen GW do anything logically. I'm sure he picked it because it's new, nothing more.
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Post by Ignatius on Jun 25, 2009 12:18:04 GMT -5
probably just trying to show off their new models, get people to buy more of them. What would have been smart was the eldar guy let the other one win, that way, people reading it would be like "hey look how good that did! i need one" reluting in more money for gw
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 25, 2009 12:19:31 GMT -5
As John Galt just pointed out. I have never seen GW do anything logically.
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Post by Melissia on Jun 25, 2009 12:27:59 GMT -5
Even from a profits point of view they don't really do anything entirelly logically.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 25, 2009 13:15:15 GMT -5
probably just trying to show off their new models, get people to buy more of them. What would have been smart was the eldar guy let the other one win, that way, people reading it would be like "hey look how good that did! i need one" reluting in more money for gw That was my thought. It only works if you win. These things make me wonder how well the GW employees would fare against non-employee players. Some of them must be good, but...
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Post by John_Galt (M.I.A) on Jun 25, 2009 13:49:55 GMT -5
Well, we're talking GW corporate.
Most of the store employees I know though build themed armies, not armies for whomping. Still won't do as well, but for a good reason, not because they are incompetent (see BR above).
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Post by nox on Jun 25, 2009 16:38:42 GMT -5
I think planetstrike will be cool. And maybe the only way i play for awhile. Loving the drop pod rule/strategem for space marines. Thats the way they should be in the first place.
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Post by Melissia on Jun 25, 2009 17:15:49 GMT -5
Yeah, but only if they cost a lot more.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 25, 2009 18:40:52 GMT -5
Yes, dps are already ridiculous. And I use them...
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