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Post by seed on Aug 18, 2009 20:59:55 GMT -5
Hello every one. I have zero experience or knowledge of sisters of battle and these are the first sisters of battle I have seen that where not on the Internet or a magazine. My wifes put her OKs to the side and has decide to collect a all female army. She choose sisters of battle and bought these and I was hoping some one could help identify them before there all stripped and repainted. She has 3 more rhinos that are not pictured. Who ever sold them to her claimed it was a 2k army but it seems to be a pretty small army for 2k points. Also any good tip or useful info for her first game with sister because reading there codex its so out there and in my mind properly look like the most complex army to play (but with that stated the most fun) Cheers in advance for all the help.
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Post by Melissia on Aug 19, 2009 0:29:08 GMT -5
Top pic appears to have two squads of Battle Sisters* and two-ish squads of seraphim. Bottom pic has another two squads of Battle Sisters* and some vehicles. There appears to be one exorcist tank (the one with detatched turret), and two rhinos. I'm entirelly uncertain what that thing on the large circular base next to the rhino is. *Battle Sisters, Dominians, Retributors, and Celestians use the same model range. Battle Sisters are troops and thus scoring models, Dominians have a lot of (expensive) special weapons, Retributors have heavy weapons, and Celestians have better close combat ability and leadership. Celestians cost more per model, and Dominians have a mandatory transport requirement.As for how many points taht can make? That depends entirelly on what build you go with and wether that second vehicle next to the exorcist is an immolator, rhino, or another exorcist. Assuming my beliefs on what those are are right (the special weapons are not entirelly identifiable due to the quality of the photograph), this would be what you currently have: - 1 Heroine
- 28 Battle Sister models
- 4 Flamers
- 4 Storm Bolters
- 4 Sister Superiors w/pistol+CCW
- 10? Seraphim, unknown special weapons
- 1 single Imagifier model.
- 2? Rhino Transports
- 1 Exorcist Tank
- Some primed models which look like Arc-Flagellants
I tallied it up, and got around 1230 points. You can get a lot higher I suppose, depending on how much you want to deck out your squads.... or if you go for celestians instead of battle sisters... or if you want to say all of those chainswords are actually eviscerators... but you still probably won't get to 2000, and you sure as hell won't get a good 2000 point army like that. I did not include the arco-flagellants because I did not see a Priest, and you would need a Priest attatched to one of your squads to use the Arco-Flagellants (and thus you cannot use those models in a legal army with this collection).
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Post by seed on Aug 19, 2009 3:26:42 GMT -5
I can post much higher quilty picture I just compressed the hell out of them to make them load nicey. The big round based thing is the whitch hunters specail chacter Which I don't think will be used ever. And theres the living saint girlie in there.
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 19, 2009 7:27:42 GMT -5
You might want to get a codex to assist in the points as well as identification. Melissia is probably the best insight on strategy and tactics with the SOB here.
I do notice that in the second picture that it appears you have a Throne of Judgement. (The walker on the large base). That model in itself is expensive both in terms of money as well as points. If allowed into combat he is a beast as well.
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Post by Melissia on Aug 19, 2009 8:00:09 GMT -5
Even with Celestine and Karamazov, you're still not getting up to 2000 points. And you do have a canoness model-- you can only use two HQ choices at any given time, so you couldn't use both of them anyway. Not that I'd ever suggest using Karamazov-- he's obviously not a Sisters of Battle model, he's an Inquisitor, and quite frankly he doesn't synergize well with the Sisters army-- you're much better off not using him because you want to make the most out of the Acts of Faith by maximizing how much Faith Points your characters have. And only various Sisters of Battle units give your army Faith Points. Here's the special weapons models, so you can help identify them. Flamer type 1Flamer type 2Meltagun type 1Meltagun type 2Storm Bolter 1Storm Bolter 2Heavy FlamerSeraphim Hand FlamersAlso, if you do have storm bolters in your list, and no meltaguns, you're gonna have to make a lot of purchasing before that army is any good. You lack anti-tank without meltaguns, and storm bolters are mediocre anyway-- so mediocre that you really don't want to bother wasting points on them. Generally you'll want to have heavy flamers instead of flamers, too, but that's a point of preference as you with Divine Guidance both are still deadly. Though if you are determined to use the models, I'd suggest putting them in a five-woman Dominian squad, with another storm bolter model for the sister superior. Having the whole squad be a storm bolter unit is about the only way the weapon will be of any use, making use of the mobility of the weapon. The best take-all-comers Battle Sister Squad setup is generally something like this: 7 Battle Sisters 1 Meltagun 1 Heavy Flamer 1 Veteran Sister Superior w/Bolter and Book of St. Lucius 1 Rhino For 201 pts. You'll probably have four or five of these in a 2000 point game, unless you want to go footsloggers, which I don't reccomend... although at least it is different.
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 19, 2009 9:19:50 GMT -5
See told you that she is the resident expert.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Aug 19, 2009 10:12:40 GMT -5
Only expert, though most of the advice she gives is good for both Soriotas AND Mechanised Guard Veterans, so listen to her carefully.
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Post by Melissia on Aug 19, 2009 13:18:21 GMT -5
Dunno, I always thought mech veterans were best as specialists, whereas Sororitas you generally want a meltagun in every squad, and then some kind of flamer to make use of Divine Guidance... which is why I suggested heavy flamer / meltagun, which is really the best combination of anti-infantry and anti-tank the Sororitas have. The Sisters rely heavilly on meltaguns for evenlight anti-tank, and their best anti-infantry firepower is rapid firing with flamers and Divine Guidance.
You CAN have twin meltagun tankhunter squads, but then you're being a bit wasteful with all those bolters you can have... although on a large footslogger squad (IE, 15+ Sisters in it), you'll want to use twin meltaguns simply because you have enough bolters to slaughter any infantry you come across anwyay.
Twin flamer squads work decently enough, especially flamer/heavyflamer squads, as depending on your and your opponent's interpretation of the rules you can have both of them firing out of the tank's fire points. When outside the tank there's no question of course, you'll get lots of AP1 wounds that ignore cover saves because of Divine Guidance.
Though, technicly speaking, because of the new fire points rules Sororitas are by RAW limited to firing one model out of the fire point, but the origonal intent was two models (and almost any official representation of them has them doing the same, IE white dwarf, website articles, etc, admittedly with those mostly being third and a few fourth edition articles), and there may be a white dwarf article out ther that uses two models firing out, as Army Builder lists them specifically as being able to fire both out of the rhino's fire point.
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Post by seed on Aug 19, 2009 14:47:45 GMT -5
There is an army book its with the sister sitting in a post office somewhere. Will email the guy and ask how he manged to get 2k. Cheers guys
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 19, 2009 16:11:23 GMT -5
Imagines a SOB sitting in the post office... Hmmm Might be something for ymmot to draw.
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Post by Melissia on Aug 19, 2009 16:56:19 GMT -5
A Battle Sister wouldn't be doing that. A Sister Famulus, maybe, depends on the situation.
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Post by seed on Aug 19, 2009 17:05:59 GMT -5
Gives a word postal a new meaning.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Aug 19, 2009 17:12:51 GMT -5
Could be purging the post office.
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Post by Melissia on Aug 19, 2009 17:17:36 GMT -5
As in "this can only end in fire". But that's rather off-topic.
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Post by seed on Aug 19, 2009 19:32:15 GMT -5
Anyway.... Melissia how have you found using large squads of sister (like 20 sisters) to get that faith power off that Divine Guidance power.
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Post by Kaikelx on Aug 19, 2009 19:43:11 GMT -5
Wait...Sisters have no squad cap? I'm not complaining...
Out of sheer curiosity, is it possible to make one giant Battle sister squad of doom? (Not that it would be any good, but still....)
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 19, 2009 20:05:51 GMT -5
Sister's have a squad cap, it is just the basic SOB has a large cap
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Post by Melissia on Aug 19, 2009 22:17:59 GMT -5
Battle Sister Squads are 10-20.
Sisters tactics are always somewhat simple against most armies. You run or drive up into the enemy's face and then rapid fire them to death.
Footslogger Sisters are kinda worse than mechanized however. You either have less anti-tank, or your exorcists are much bigger targets (being your only tanks) for anti-tank weaponry. They can be more powerful against swarm armies like green tide or swarms of basic gaunts... but overall, they aren't really, as any well developed list won't include just those, and will probably include blast weapons which are the bane of a footslogging Sororitas list. Guard will just tear the list apart if they know what to expect.
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Post by Kaikelx on Aug 19, 2009 22:19:42 GMT -5
Guardsman 1: Hey! Look! We're fighting Sisters of Battle!
Guardsmen 2-453: *Breaks out the AP3 weaponry*
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Aug 19, 2009 22:29:09 GMT -5
Guardsman 1: Hey! Look! We're fighting Sisters of Battle! Guardsmen 2-500: *Breaks out the AP3 template weaponry* Fixed
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Aug 19, 2009 22:54:32 GMT -5
Yeah, what's with the random 453?
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Post by seed on Aug 19, 2009 23:38:29 GMT -5
Cheers for the advice I ask about large squads as her main gaming experience have been with orks and she like to take large squads.
There is more than enough rhinos and 2 of those razor back things but in sisters flavor. Melta guns mite be a problem but nothing some green stuff and a little magic won't sort out. I think she dose need another one of those piano tanks though. I shall make her read all the things that have been posted.
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Post by Melissia on Aug 20, 2009 8:13:16 GMT -5
Yes, usually a 2000 point army is going to have three Exorcist tanks, IE, completely filling their heavy support slots with them. They really are that good and, to some extent, that necessary for a Sororitas victory (the only other possibility would be spamming seraphim for anti-tank, but they are a bit expensive).
They are your ONLY long-ranged anti-tank weaponry.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Aug 20, 2009 15:54:15 GMT -5
Considering that they only have a 48" range, that does not bode well for Soriotas in Apocalypse. Especially with Vendettas and Valkyries streaking about the field like hellions upon fiery wings.
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Post by Melissia on Aug 20, 2009 16:38:08 GMT -5
It doesn't. Sororitas are about the second or third weakest army in Armageddon, precisely for this reason. Though they can be amongst the strongest, if not actually at the top, when it comes to Cities of Death...
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