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Post by norge187 on Mar 6, 2009 8:37:50 GMT -5
Then, if they're in cover, they'll only get their crapy cover save as opposed to their nice 3+ power armour save. wait a sec. I thought you picked the best save when rolling for saves. Whether it was cover or armor save you picked which ever gave you the best chance for the save.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Mar 6, 2009 9:26:50 GMT -5
That's true, but since they wouldn't get an Armour Save from those fancy new AP3 Hellguns, you'd have to go with a cover save if you wanted them to live.
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Post by aeonian on Mar 6, 2009 11:13:06 GMT -5
That's exactly right. I've already been testing this theory out a lot. I've tried it with a friend of mine, using proxy miniatures and such. Hellguns will utterly annihilate a squad of marines, even if they are in cover. They can kill aspect warriors, 3+ carnifex's, and basically any expensive trooper with a good save. They are gonna ROCK against necrons. They won't stand a chance against Ap3 hellguns and plasma guns with hellstrike missiles from the valkyrie.
THIS - IS - IMP. GUARD!!!!
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Post by John_Galt (M.I.A) on Mar 6, 2009 13:07:10 GMT -5
Don't forget the rules for moving and shooting with regards to the valk (and disembarking for that matter). Is it confirmed that it will act like a fast skimmer?
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Post by Willem on Mar 6, 2009 18:31:27 GMT -5
the vulkan mega bolter gets 15 shots but it wont even scrach a hidrophant bio titan
how ever i agrea with you statistiks dont work
statistiks say that 10 lasgun shots wont kill a termanator
but wen i rold it out i got this
4/10 times they were fine 4/10 times i kiled 1 2/10 times i kiled 2
and if squads are going to cost 40 pts plus 5 for the vox it is gona be like this 10 gardsman to 1 termanator
on a side note does any one think they should change the look of hell guns? im thinking make them look like a M249 Para
there are alredy some great real life wepons worked into the IG the elesian drop troops lasguns look like Famas's the talaren laspistoles look like mini uzi's and i have sean some drawings of talaren patern lasguns that gives them a longer barel and a bana mag AK47 much though the models donte seam to have them
it would be great if there were some citiy fighters with fadoras trench coats and lasguns with drum mags
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Mar 7, 2009 7:35:54 GMT -5
With a rolling, deafening scream that arose from beyond the horizon and grew, grew into a caphocany so monstrous all other sounds evaporated before it's fury, a tandem of Valkyrie landers arced over the horizon. Fire blazed from beneath the massive, overhanging wings as the door guns spoke, and the stormtroopers took unaimed potshots at the hapless enemy below, the occasional scream barely audible over the engine's howls. A solitary, fire-flare winked against the dark shape of armour plates, before streaking out into the sky. A moment later, a shattering detonation shook the battlefield, the air rippling outwards as a wall of force erupted amongst the enemy troops.
Like great, monstrous vultures they were, circling high above the battlefield to kill their velocity, down, down, downwards until a curtain of dust obscured the rappel lines thrown down, and the pride of the Imperium spilled forth from the belly of the beast...
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Post by Willem on Mar 8, 2009 20:58:32 GMT -5
just a quick thought watt if
hell guns had granade launchers atached to them
so once per game if there were a whole hord of termagaunts holding an objectev then we could put 9 smal str3 ap6 balasts down
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Post by dragoon6 on Mar 8, 2009 21:55:41 GMT -5
awesome though that may be, as good as blasts are in this set, either a) it'll never happen or b) it'll cost too much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 4:26:41 GMT -5
I can see my kasrkin dudes sitting around a bombed out building after a fight, laughing at how pansy marines are. i mean anybody would be a fearless fighting machine if you had ridiculous inches of awesome protection between you and the enemy, had 2 of freakin every organ and got first dibs in all the cool weapons. storm troopers rule cos they survive with a muscle shirt and a flash light.
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Post by Willem on Mar 10, 2009 15:56:32 GMT -5
weigt i thought it was SMurfs that had more organs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 3:29:10 GMT -5
exactly, they have power armour, more organs and better guns, will stormies get a muscle shirt and a flash light.
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Graenis on Mar 11, 2009 4:25:38 GMT -5
that is what swarm said, its just the way he worded it was confusing, got it on the second read through though.
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Post by aeonian on Mar 12, 2009 17:49:57 GMT -5
exactly, they have power armour, more organs and better guns, will stormies get a muscle shirt and a flash light. A flashlight on Ap3 steroids! ;D But yea, I know what you mean. *the fire dies down...the stormies poke their heads out of cover, faces and rebreather masks coated in soot and dust and dirt and blood of men and heretics alike. They steadily advance, highly trained as they are, towards the building, hellguns raised. They enter the building to find the ten dead chaos marines sprawled across the floor, utterly annihilated and lifeless. The battle is won, and bottles of Aeonian's fine Amasec are opened in celebration! The storm troopers remain calm, and bad ass, sipping their alcohal and discussing the fight...* *shivers* sweeeeet!!!
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Post by -=Commissar Wibble=- on Mar 15, 2009 21:17:32 GMT -5
Oh, never underestimate the flukey power of the humble S3 weapon. -=Nods=- In three turns, a single Guard Infantry squad of mine was able to kill three Smurf Termies. One death a turn. I guess the poor termies either had allergies, or got skin cancer.
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Post by aeonian on Mar 15, 2009 21:38:51 GMT -5
lol. That's funny. I am an absolutly insane fan of lasgun jokes. Partially becuase, well, I understand why they're funny, and two, because I can say them at school, laugh, and everyone just kinda stares...it's great. Great to be able to laugh at something that no one else understands in the slightest!
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Post by norge187 on Mar 15, 2009 22:05:58 GMT -5
just a quick thought watt if hell guns had granade launchers atached to them so once per game if there were a whole hord of termagaunts holding an objectev then we could put 9 smal str3 ap6 balasts down Though combi weapons would be a nice attachment to any vet. sgt. or Karskin squad. I just don't see it happening. The only thing I wish they would get would be that bonus in the initiative department. God that just chaps my a** more than anything else. Hopefully with the new dex it will address some of these issues.
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Post by kellysgrenadier on Mar 16, 2009 9:26:02 GMT -5
I haven't read all the posts, but did notice that hellguns are now AP3, 18'' and Rapid Fire, correct? Doesn't that mean, if keep moving your Stormtroopers 6'' in the movement phase, that they are effectively 18'' Assault 2?
Effectively.
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Graenis on Mar 16, 2009 9:27:56 GMT -5
no, because if you rapid fire, you then can't assault.
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Post by kellysgrenadier on Mar 16, 2009 9:41:15 GMT -5
Naturally, without the ability to assault after firing.
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Who'd want to with Stormtroopers, anyway? It's a no-brainer.
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Graenis on Mar 16, 2009 9:53:04 GMT -5
sorry, didn't see the effectively bit. And true, much better off raining high powered lasers into them.
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Post by kellysgrenadier on Mar 16, 2009 11:40:55 GMT -5
Well the theory might enrich their 'assault' role; do not stop moving.
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Post by aeonian on Mar 18, 2009 11:10:10 GMT -5
I'd drop my stormies out of a valkyrie and then rapid fire the poo out of my targets. But, since my regiment doesn't do assault, i won't be using them or valkyries (I'm not even sure I enjoy the idea of guard with uber fast vehicles. Doesn't appeal to me. Call me a drunk ) My regiment is gonna use hardened veterans still, which, by the way, are confirmed as being able to purchase carapace armour, so that you can use longer ranged lasguns and heavy weapons, but still have 'pace (if I even need it. Kolovians utilize cover and mortars and the like) so it means extra blast markers all over the place. Who knows, I might use some vendetta's as a bolster from the Navy, but not valkyries.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Mar 18, 2009 11:56:35 GMT -5
My entire regiment is going to be valk-mounted, if I can scrape together the finances.
"We'll come in low out of the rising sun, and when were about a klick out, we'll put on the music!"
"Music?"
"Yeah, I use Wagner- scares the hell out of the smokes. My boys love it!"
Enemies of the Emperor, beware.....
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Post by Willem on Mar 18, 2009 17:15:34 GMT -5
just a thought but what if stormies had lansers insted of hell guns
for the pepole who havent playd Gears of War its a big big asalt rifel with a chane saw bayonet
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 17:29:01 GMT -5
I have heard (and please forgive me if im wrong bretheren) that Kasrkin will have normal hellguns but will get to fire them at AP3 Gets hot! one every other turn akin to dire avengers bladestorm. Makes sense to me. Crank up the power and over heat the fuel cell so it takes a turn to cool. Just my thoughts
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